Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:27:57 +0400 From: "Artem Koutchine" <matrix@ipform.ru> To: "David M. Talkington" <dtalk@prairienet.org>, <keith@mail.telestream.com> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD decision Message-ID: <008a01c02d1d$74411e20$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010021420320.5493-100000@bluestem>
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I've been working on FreeBSD since 96 and really like it, however for the last year i have been TRYING to get Linux into my mind. I thought, whatta heck, if people talk so much about it, i should try it. So far i am absolutelly sure that there is not 100% workable distribution of linux and every day life with linux if a nightmare. you ask why? Well, it is simple. Imageing that you have FreeBSD and you have encountered a problem or a bug. What do you do? 1) You write a letter to questions@freebsd.org 2) You can contact developer 3) You check for a newer port (centralized repository!!!) 4) You do cvsup for thw whole system and upgrade in a couple of hours to a newer (STABLE!) version and kill all the bugs 5) If i cannot find needed software in ports it is most likely to compile w/o problems, since BSD is a standard. What do you do on linux? There is no centralized mail list, if you ask a question the most probable answer is like "Switch to disribution XXXX and then do what i say". You hadly can contact a developer if it is not a widespread project. There is not centralized port repository, so you will nenever know if there is a newer version of some software for Linux. Some distros have something like ports, but only SOMETHING. Very often you need to hack sources to make something compile. You cannot upgrade you system easily by recompiling everything (i didn't see any global source cvs repository for any distro). Any the last, when i install FreeBSD i know exactly what i install and who to contact in case of problems. This is a lot more centralized development model than Linux, so reliablity is a lot bigger. When i install Linux i feel that i am playing with a fresh toy, which is still rough on the edged and made in China. If you know what i mean. Now, I don't really like to start an OS was. I am not a Linux guru and i might have all that troble because i don't know Linux that much. BUT! Here, in the office, i do not insist on using FreeBSD, so programmer can use FreeBSD or any Linux if they like, but after a while it figures, that Linux programmer cannot maintain their installations and cannot help each other (a person of Mandrake cannot help a person on Slackware) in case of problems, which eventually decreases their programming perfomance and makes me very angry as a technical director. So to keep together they would need to install the same Linux, but why the heck bother, if they can as well install FreeBSD and avoid the troubles all together. However, IMHO, Linux will eventually make a better home desktop than FreeBSD and mainly because of one reason: FREEBSD NEVER GETS THE NEEDED DRIVERS FOR CUTTING EDGE HARDWARE (for example, DVB, winmodems, some 3d cards, etc). And in a way it is good, since it is guarranties that servers hardware which will be used to run FreeBSD will be tested by millions before you and that all drivers of a very high quality, but it gets annoying when you cannot use your favorite hardware when you need it on FreeBSD. Well, that's my 2c. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M. Talkington" <dtalk@prairienet.org> To: <keith@mail.telestream.com> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD decision > > Has he seen the little red daemon? That did it for me ... Tux is cool and > all, but the wide-eyed li'l guy with the fork is just irresistable! > =) > > -d > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 keith@mail.telestream.com wrote: > > > I have a client that wants to run Linux on a couple of servers. One a DNS > > server and one a Mail server. I'm charged with setting it all up and > > getting him up and rolling. I've suggested that he go with FreeBSD instead > > or Linux. He's has asked why? I found myself stammering for reasons, I've > > always chose FreeBSD over linux for personal reasons. <RPM's suck, ports > > rule, Kernel configs/compiles are faster etc etc>. I need something I can > > tell this guy that he would relate to since he's obviously jumped onto the > > linux rage of the day simply because people have told him it's the best. > > Any info people can suggest that I could use as ammunition would > > be great. > > > > Keith > > > > > > ================================= > > Keith W. > > At the helm <for better or worse> > > > > My non work related site > > www.cydonia.net > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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