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Date:      Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC)
From:      doug@safeport.com
To:        Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com>
Cc:        Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com>, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog@freebsd.org>, Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au>, freeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system)
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Paul Procacci wrote:

> As per your last couple of statements; I agree.
> I won't however conform for the reasons already given.
> If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me.
> I won't cry about it nor hate anyone for doing so.
> The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional time I
> help someone.
> I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug reports, etc.
> 
> I swear I won't be heart broken.  Have at it.
> ~Paul 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>       Late to the party (I admit it), still... 
>
>       On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com>
>       wrote:
>       .
> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the
> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for
> said email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to
> various `rules'  on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply
> too much work.
> 
> 
> In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks
> in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than
> what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. 
> 
> Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort
> once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every
> one of your readers. 
> 
> Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting
> until now.
> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a
> long time ago.
> 
> 
> Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different
> countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also
> slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. 
> The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? )
> frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So? 

Totally correct. I really do not understand the, "I don't have to follow 
the rules" attitude. With all our corporate clients, we top post because 
that's the ROR. Not so here. What's so hard about that? I use pine, 
roundcube, and thunderbird it is trivially easy to follow the ROR in all 
these MDAs.
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