Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:39:39 +0100 From: Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports <ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <8f101b68-889f-6b41-64f6-6aa8ede2efe4@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <20170211180403.GA14424@lonesome.com> References: <dvvl9chf9h22dpjto35d44enid819p9rnc@4ax.com> <h91m9cpbmp6js1km1bson74he5uuui9r6h@4ax.com> <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <ndjm9cl4samqgioi25ro8p2q6liimvr1h4@4ax.com> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <99cr9cp6o01ef949dig289bkspipl8mog7@4ax.com> <20170210211849.GB10806@lonesome.com> <e1e5e44f-164c-5a02-ad27-10b930137a0a@sorbs.net> <20170211002035.GA11637@lonesome.com> <87172bcd-3305-0e80-ddea-81f388291e2b@sorbs.net> <20170211180403.GA14424@lonesome.com>
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Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 09:51:41AM +0100, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> Tell me.... What is the reason for me upgrading those few production >> servers from 9.3 to 10/11?... bearing in mind the following: > There isn't any ... oh, except for no new security updates. But that's the thing isn't it... what security updates? If I take away the ports installed I don't actually think there is anything that can provide a security issue, at least not one that wouldn't be creating a massive ruck around the world... like the ability to hack the FreeBSD network stack etc... > > The flip side is the more important question. Why should we ask > developers to support a version of the OS that doesn't have: > > From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/relnotes.html: > > * bhyve, drm2, rasbpi, nvme, several overhauled drivers and carp. ..and why can they not appear in 9.x...? > > From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/relnotes.html: > > * mpr, mrsas, pms, autofs, other overhauled drivers. ...or these...? ABI change? Or is it the same ABI with updated drivers? > > I recommend folks reading this thread should examine those links. > > As for things removed from base, my understanding is: > > * we have limited people to fix/regression test all the security problems > in base/ software. A few notorious candidates have been factored out > into ports. You have less people now I can guarantee you that. > > * there is an overall drive to move to an entirely GPL-free base system. > Perhaps this is not important to you but there are others to whome this > is important. > > I have some other thoughts on this but I am being called away to deal with > some other crisis ATM. The GPL-free base system drive is driving stuff and will change things that I can see an OS upgrade/version change is called for... but why not get all of it done and put into 10.0 instead of driving forward with getting to 12.0 as fast as possible? Regards, -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/
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