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Date:      Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:04:26 -0400
From:      Mike Edenfield <kutulu@kutulu.org>
To:        Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists_nada@tx.rr.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3
Message-ID:  <48488D1A.9070105@kutulu.org>
In-Reply-To: <34E9F0D46D7B9F45EDA38F4C@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
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Paul Schmehl wrote:
> I think that's an unfair characterization.  He stated that he had 
> noted numerous bugs in 6.3 (submitted PRs) that he perceived affected 
> him personally and so he chose not to update to 6.3.  He then asked if 
> 6.2 couldn't be extended farther.  That seems like a reasonable 
> question to ask.  A simple, professional answer would have settled the 
> matter quickly.

Part of the problem is that a few of us (including myself) *have* looked 
for the PRs he referenced and can't find them.  There are only three 
critical PR's opened on the hardware devices he mentioned that are filed 
specifically against version 6.3: one each for bge, gmirror, and 3ware.  
Of those, one of them appears to be sporadic, one of them appears to be 
specific to a particular obscure BIOS, and one of them involved a 
specific dual-card setup on a specific type of motherboard. And none of 
those *specifically* say that they cannot be reproduced on 6.2 -- one of 
them is actually filed against version 5 through 7.  Since we also know 
very little about the specific hardware setup of the OP, it's impossible 
to determine if these are, in fact, the PRs he's looking at, or if he's 
actually looking at other less-critical PRs that may need to be bumped 
up to critical, or if they're misfiled, or who knows what.

In short, the problem reports that the OP is looking at are not 
immediately obvious to someone who doesn't already know what they are, 
and he's not doing himself any favors by insisting that everyone else 
"already knows" about these problems.  If he's seen these bug reports, 
presumably he knows what their PR #'s are, or at the very least the 
description of the bugs, and it would be many many times faster for him 
to just say so than continue to insist that other people read his mind.

--Mike




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