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Date:      Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:08:15 -0500
From:      Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, Darren Reed <avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au>, security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: stream.c worst-case kernel paths
Message-ID:  <20000121230815.A9928@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <200001220356.TAA66875@apollo.backplane.com>; from dillon@apollo.backplane.com on Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 07:56:51PM -0800
References:  <200001210417.PAA24853@cairo.anu.edu.au> <200001210642.XAA09108@harmony.village.org> <4.2.2.20000121163937.01a51dc0@localhost> <200001220035.QAA65392@apollo.backplane.com> <20000121200829.E4055@puck.nether.net> <200001220118.RAA65802@apollo.backplane.com> <20000121221736.A9396@puck.nether.net> <200001220356.TAA66875@apollo.backplane.com>

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On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 07:56:51PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> 
> :	There is a major chicken and egg scenario here.  Multicast
> :is not useful because it is not deployed.  But people don't deploy it because
> :they don't see it as useful, because people don't use it much because
> :they feel they can't reach everyone.
> :
> :	This needs to change, but this is not the correct fourm for that
> :change.
> :...
> :
> :	- jared
> 
>     No, it is not deployed because of a lack of interest.  Lots of people 
>     are interested.  We went through all that at BEST ... Except for 
>     Alternet none of the backbones were willing to even contemplate
>     multicast routing (pim or anything else) because they simply had no 
>     way to manage their network bandwidth (to handle it) *OR* to bill for it.
> 
>     The situation hasn't changed.

	Hmm.

	Verio has it deployed.

	So does Globalcenter.

	Hmm.  Guess they're not important.

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Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.
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