Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:55:22 -0400 From: Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> To: Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com>, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: change in tcsh behavior Message-ID: <24352.4650.708202.473784@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <bdd8326c-ce1a-2eb3-27f7-57e30b10597d@FreeBSD.org> References: <24351.11091.522286.251422@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <e48b4a3e-9861-71ba-1130-9e5de911e629@FreeBSD.org> <24351.24025.555285.682585@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <bdd8326c-ce1a-2eb3-27f7-57e30b10597d@FreeBSD.org>
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From: Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> To: Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: change in tcsh behavior In-Reply-To: <bdd8326c-ce1a-2eb3-27f7-57e30b10597d@FreeBSD.org> References: <24351.11091.522286.251422@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <e48b4a3e-9861-71ba-1130-9e5de911e629@FreeBSD.org> <24351.24025.555285.682585@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <bdd8326c-ce1a-2eb3-27f7-57e30b10597d@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) --text follows this line-- Hello: > > > How do I go back to the old output? > > > > Set sysctl kern.tty_info_kstacks to 0. > > > Umm ... is there a reason this isn't the default? > > I think the idea was that it is useful enough to enable it by > default. Otherwise, it would be really hard to discover it. This > change was well received by various developers, and it also had an > revision where the default was changed from 1 to 2 (or something) > to make it a little bit more compact. And if it makes their life easier, then I approve. However: 1) something visibly changed, that 2) affects the default system shell and therefore a _lot_ of users, many of which like the old way 3) without warning or documentation (e.g. a single line entry in src/UPDATING), and figuring out what happened is, in your words "really hard to discover" for the casual user. Respectfully, Robert Huff
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