Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:07:42 -0700 From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Erich <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Kurt Jaeger <lists@opsec.eu>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <CAOgwaMttJ4%2Bbsiq=aMvNx=N_gi4%2B6vhCBdKmPbsgEqDnKu%2Barg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2683532.ZXZgRCPEVi@x220.ovitrap.com> References: <C480320C-0CD9-4B61-8AFB-37085C820AB7@FreeBSD.org> <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <20120602195022.GG5335@home.opsec.eu> <2683532.ZXZgRCPEVi@x220.ovitrap.com>
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On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Erich <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On 02 June 2012 PM 9:50:22 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > Hi! > > > > > The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading > > > UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after > > > the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the > > > ports tree. > > > > > > I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. > > > > We have our reference hosts, do daily portupgrades and on those days > > where all looks fine, pkg_create the whole collection and > pkg_delete/pkg_add > > to production hosts. > > > > Still not perfect, but 'good enough'. > > > > > isn't this what I just suggested to be done by the team? Give the ports > tree a new version number and people can fall back to this then. > > Isn't this solution too simple to be done? > > Erich > In my some previous messages in other threads I mentioned a requirement to have a list of files prepared in context of ports and also for base system . When a part is broken even in a very simple part , neither "make" nor package managers are able to repair it , because there is no a list of files to check what is present and what is missing . This problem is solved by Kurt Jaeger and possibly by others by maintaining a reference host means to dedicate a computer for this task which is not necessary if such lists are prepared during development of base and ports . For each person , to use such a reference host is not a possibility . In last weeks , during my FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 Release installation , I have scratched my installation due to a wrongly set parameter . I could not understand what is become corrupted , neither "make" could correct it nor port master or port upgrade or package add . Only it has been cured by installing another operating system onto it . From that point of view , FreeBSD is really a very fragile system . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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