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Date:      Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:41:44 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Phillip Salzman <psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net>
To:        pat.groce@state.sd.us
Cc:        jlemon@americantv.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811092040500.7784-100000@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net>
In-Reply-To: <5D2C95997022D21187350008C7F4CF793E6C00@ESPR1SRV5.state.sd.us>

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No, its your fault for being a moron.  www.freebsd.org stated -RELEASE is 
NOT -STABLE... now go play with yourself or something, have fun with NT -
- its perfect for people like you.

--
Phillip Salzman

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote:

> I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i download boot.flp and
> fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got. DON'T BLAME ME, I
> DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN INSTALL. Why didn't the
> web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0? 
> 
> The web page at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all
> sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues!
> 
> If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S fault! Why can't a
> fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out of disk space? Not
> my fault. It should have configured the partitions correctly from the first
> place. What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system having problems?
> 
> ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A MOUNTAIN TROLL WHO
> SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM CODE COULD EVER
> GET IT WORKING.
> 
> This os is not for the business world!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote:
> > We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our internet email. Last
> > week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a tape backup of
> important
> > files so i reinstalled using the new freebsd 3.0 version.
> 
> Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of
> re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system
> to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing?
> 
> Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have
> been installed was installed was 2.2.7.
> 
> 
> > cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error:
> > sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in
> > /var/spool/mqueue)
> 
> So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of 
> disk space, and you blame it on sendmail?  No offense, but it 
> sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly.
> 
> 
> > To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems with NT versions
> > of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes sendmail and the
> > Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost more, but in terms
> > of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all the frustration.
> >
> > I read all the news on how unix is going to give microsoft a run for the
> > operating system market. I don't believe it for a second.
> 
> You are welcome to your opinion.  If NT works better for you,
> then by all means, use it.
> 
> FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do. 
> However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more 
> knowledge on the administrator's part than NT.  In return, it 
> can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm).
> 
> You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a
> harddrive crash.  Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years
> from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task.
> --
> Jonathan
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