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Date:      Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:48:19 +0300 (MSK)
From:      Grigoriy Strokin <grg@philol.msu.ru>
To:        garman@earthling.net
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: more dying daemons
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811190844370.3975-100000@isabase.philol.msu.ru>
In-Reply-To: <199811190247.SAA25805@hub.freebsd.org>

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I have the same problem. 
However, my 'current' version is a bit old,
so the daemons are a bit more stable.
They do this 1-4 times per week.
ftpd,sshd and inetd, exactly as your describe.

Moreover, inetd has a more interesting behaviour
sometimes: it can work good a day or longer 
then issue approx. 200 messages
in 2 seconds about "exit on signal 11",
then any logging activity disappears...

Grigoriy.

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 garman@earthling.net wrote:

> On 18 Nov, I wrote:
> > 
> > I'm still having the problems I described earlier.
> > inetd, samba, and ssh exhibit symptoms where they wither away and die
> > after a certain amount of time, and this is easily and rapidly
> > reproducible (in the space of only an hour my freshly-started inetd will
> > begin to die each time it forks...)
> > 
> while sitting here trying to find a common thread through all this
> mess...
> 
> it appears to happen only with servers that fork() copies of themselves
> on incoming requests.
> 
> inetd does this, samba does this, and sshd does this.  consequently,
> inetd dies, samba dies, and sshd dies :)
> 
> however, servers that *don't* fork off a new connection on incoming
> requests don't die.
> 
> a good example is mysql.  i've never had a problem with it dying, even
> though it gets swapped out much more often than the other servers (it
> is rarely used)... another example is httpd which only has problems
> when its heavily used (i'm guessing that it has run out of pre-forked
> copies and has to fork off new children)
> 
> so, it looks like a problem where parts of a daemon are swapped out and
> then when the daemon forks, some of the pages are never paged back in? 
> i dunno, a guess at least :)
> 
> that should help narrow down the source of the problem dramatically. 
> when i get a free moment i'll try going through the commits on various
> parts of the vm subsystem and see what i can dig up...
> 
> enjoy
> -- 
> Jason Garman                                      http://garman.dyn.ml.org/
> Student, University of Maryland                        garman@earthling.net
> And now... did you know that:                                 Whois: JAG145
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>   produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb." -- 0xdeadbeef posting
> 
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=== Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow ===
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