Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 14:21:26 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn@gmail.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root Message-ID: <20211012142126.66036897@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: <CAD2Ti29q8J6rLGPjLthxgfUiYR48kiQ9SiAf%2BSc_zVcsT5Ks6g@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAD2Ti28tkY=Fyz-OrTjxQVwrNaDxitO_bn29TxoM=9WoP1ON5Q@mail.gmail.com> <6B2E21D5-0DF1-4BCC-A27C-DFFBB201FB52@gmail.com> <CAD2Ti29q8J6rLGPjLthxgfUiYR48kiQ9SiAf%2BSc_zVcsT5Ks6g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:59:00 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: > > No. The system shell is supposed to make the system usable > > by the users. Actually, the real problem is that the easiest way > > to shoot one's own foot is by changing the language (say, the > > shell) spoken by default by FreeBSD. > > Well, the FreeBSD system speaks sh for its own use, this is clearly > documented as the shell called by init(8), and later by rc(8), > it should probably be the root:0 entry at least for consistancy. > No other shell is called by the FreeBSD system there. > Whatever the users want for their own shells is really up > to them to decide after that. > > "Default" is bit of low context word, as there is no falling > back to some shell occuring, no filling in for some missing > option, etc. Maybe use word "shipped" or "root" instead. > > Everyone said they already do, and will continue to, > exec whatever shell they like, whether after login, > or by changing the entry. So in addition to the user > being ultimately responsible for their own box and usage, > this well announced entry for UPDATING cannot therein > really be responsible for any user self-shooting. > > > This is non-sense. > > Well, FreeBSD does not add every shell in base, > does not add every app to base, etc. > Some reasons for those limits should be obvious. > This update gives further distilling clarity by > limiting the number of shipped uid 0 entries to 1, > with that 1 being sh. > > > Every unix user should know that it's > > possible to changing the used shell by using > > chsh and this includes root. > > Then for every user, this update is not a problem. > I've been using UNIX both privately and professionally since 1984 and I must admit that I never heard of chsh before seeing this e-mail. I simply use vipw; it's the logical way to do this sort of thing IMHO. But I suppose that this is the way to go for users who don't have root access (which I always have). > > BTW, toor default to sh, not tcsh. > > No one said that the toor entry does not use sh. > -- Gary Jennejohn
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