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Date:      Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:26:14 +0300
From:      Andriy Gapon <avg@FreeBSD.org>
To:        David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        toolchain@FreeBSD.org, Julian Elischer <julian@FreeBSD.org>, current@FreeBSD.org, "re@FreeBSD.org Engineering Team" <re@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: patch to add AES intrinsics to gcc
Message-ID:  <521754E6.3030906@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <D879DDDA-EF9D-470A-A82E-04E83DB2A7E4__13641.8188493282$1377255996$gmane$org@FreeBSD.org>
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on 23/08/2013 14:06 David Chisnall said the following:
> Our gcc is from 2007.  It has no C11, no C++11 support.  It has bugs in its
> atomic generation so you can't use it sensibly without lots of inline
> assembly (which it doesn't support for newer architectures) for
> multithreaded things.
> 
> Our libstdc++ is ancient and doesn't work with modern C++ codebases.

On the other hand these tools are perfect for building FreeBSD kernel and base.
Extrapolating my experience with base GCC I am very confident in it as a
FreeBSD development tool.
Extrapolating my experience with Clang I am not yet confident in it as a
FreeBSD development tool.

I do not care about C11, C++11 and modern C++ codebases.  I care about what's
in /usr/src and what gets compiled by buildkernel/buildworld.  That's just me,
of course.  But, OTOH, those who care modern C++ codebases should be perfectly
capable to install a compiler from ports or switch to clang as their default
compiler.

-- 
Andriy Gapon



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