Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 08:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> To: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> Cc: Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>, Pawel Jakub Dawidek <pjd@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r344316 - head/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs Message-ID: <201902201609.x1KG92wk015882@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <20190220075613.GC84455@FreeBSD.org>
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> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:43:28PM -0500, Shawn Webb wrote: > > At the risk of painting a bikeshed a lovely color of neon purple, I'm > > curious about if/how these types of commits get merged upstream to > > (OpenZFS|Illumos|ZFS On Linux|where ever ZFS upstream is now|I'm very > > confused|is anyone else confused where upstream is?). > > > > Who is upstream? Is work like this going to remain as a downstream > > patch to ZFS? Or is FreeBSD going to work to upstream this type of > > work? > > I've always felt that we should've become upstream to everyone else > the moment we knew Oracle would eat Sun (20 April 2009), and never > understood why it didn't happen and now, ten years later, we're talking > about ZFS on fucking Linux becoming our upstream. Something'd got very > wrong here and I'd like to know what and why. I think to answer why ZoL wins out over ZoF in the upstream selection is that ZoL has many more people working on it than does ZoF so they innovate much faster than us, that makes them a good choose in the since that developement moves faster. I do, like many, have reservations about other aspects perhaps not making this an ideal, but if ZoL develope a good developement model, they well kick ass over anything the FreeBSD project could ever do with ZFS. Like it or not, they have a larger critical mass than us, and that wins in the end game. Also since we did choose to be downstream from illumous that put is in the follow mode in many aspects, so we did not grow a bunch of ZFS developers, where as the ZoL project kinda grabbed the code and went full tilt with it, not totally ignoring upstream, but also not letting upstream stifle there efforts. > > > I hope my curiousity doesn't offend anyone. ;) > Not at all, I'm also confused and curious. Now running a ZoL instance just so I can get use to its look and feel and see how if at all it plays along with ZoF. > ./danfe -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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