Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:47:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <CA3C49BF-AF6E-4743-BB05-F9DA36CF475A@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <505641A0.10606@FreeBSD.org> References: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net> <2C4DFA77-E2D8-4DA1-9512-5497ADAF740E@bsdimp.com> <505641A0.10606@FreeBSD.org>
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 09/14/2012 21:39, Warner Losh wrote: >> I think that we've reached the point in this thread that "no clear = consensus exists for the change, therefore the status quo should remain = the case." >>=20 >> All these points and counter points clearly show there's non = consensus, so this should be tabled. >=20 > "I don't think that word means what you think it means." >=20 > Consensus does not mean "absence of opposing views." It means that the > weight of opinion is on one side, and the points raised by those = opposed > have been carefully considered; and either accommodated or discarded = as > less important than the benefits of the majority view. The mere fact > that someone disagrees with a proposed change should not be enough on > its own to scuttle that change. >=20 > In this case the weight is clearly in the "remove it" camp, and the > opposing opinions have been considered, and should be discarded. >=20 > Defining consensus the other way only gets you the least objectionable > changes, which are almost never the best by a purely technical = measure. > Which is not to say that we should _never_ consider other factors, > merely that in a software project one would think that technical merit > really should be the deciding factor in the majority of cases. We're working towards consensus. We weren't there when I sent this out, = and it seems like the folks doing the work have agreed that a few minor = things should be completed first. Oh, and one more thing, I hope you have a nice day. Warner
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