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Date:      Sat, 8 Dec 2001 03:29:42 -0500
From:      "Denny Jodeit" <denny@jodeit.com>
To:        "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>, "Konstantinos Konstantinidis" <kkonstan@duth.gr>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Subject:   Re: A breath of fresh air..
Message-ID:  <029f01c17fc2$7c3f7100$6f830acf@gdennyj>
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PROCLAMATION !!!!!!!!!!!
....from this point forward, this thread shall be known as 'The War of $0.75
Words"



----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>
To: "Konstantinos Konstantinidis" <kkonstan@duth.gr>; <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>;
"Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: A breath of fresh air..


> Brad writes:
>
> > You're trying to unilaterally apply a "general"
> > solution to a specific problem.
>
> No, I am applying a general solution to a general problem.
>
> > I am never forced to make a recommendation.
>
> What if you are?  Try to think of this in the abstract.
>
> > Then the choice is up to them how they would
> > respond in that kind of situation, but my answer
> > would be that I don't have enough information
> > and that I would rather make no recommendation
> > at all than make one that turned out to be bad
> > for the person.
>
> You might not have that option.
>
> There seems to be quite a desire here to avoid the actual question by
> claiming that one need not answer it without more information.
>
> If a non-IT, average user asks you what OS to install as his desktop, what
> do you recommend, and why?  You have no other information concerning his
> requirements, and you do not have the option of asking for more
information
> or refusing to answer.
>
> > Common sense?  Decency?
>
> Neither of these is relevant.
>
> > Consideration for all the other poor sods on
> > this mailing list who are getting bloody sick
> > and tired of reading your drivel, and tired of
> > being continually spammed by you on this topic?
>
> I don't know that I'm the greatest irritant in this discussion.
>
> > Right, and statistically, the average distance
> > between atoms in this Universe is something like
> > one every ten centimeters, so you don't exist.
>
> Correct, from the standpoint of the universe.
>
> > Ghu, I wish that were true.
>
> Ah ... and why is that?
>
> > The reality is that sweeping generalities of
> > the sort you constantly spew are simply inappropriate
> > and fundamentally incorrect, because they are
> > based on flawed assumptions.
>
> Which assumptions are flawed?  Do you dispute that Windows is the leading
> desktop OS today?
>
> > Again, what is the general case?
>
> The general case is applications such as file, print, and web servers.
> Mainframes are not generally an advantage for these types of applications.
> For specific proprietary and legacy applications, mainframes may be the
best
> (or only) choice, e.g., large airline reservation systems, large OLTP
> systems of various types, batch processing, and so on.
>
> > I know of plenty of situations where mainframe
> > machines are precisely the best kind of server to
> > use, because they are so very good at handling
> > very large volumes of I/O with otherwise limited
> > resources.
>
> Most servers are not used in this way.  Situations that require mainframes
> are generally already managed by specialists in mainframes.
>
> > A meaningless circular definition.
>
> The definition is not circular.  Average = ordinary, common, and thus
> representative of the majority.
>
> > Again, that is not necessarily true.
>
> I know that it is not _necessarily_ true; I've only asserted that it is
> generally true.
>
>
>
>
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