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Date:      Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:41:45 +0100
From:      David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Matthias Gamsjager <mgamsjager@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: OpenSSL vs. LibreSSL (OpenBSD)
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On 25 Apr 2014, at 09:16, Matthias Gamsjager <mgamsjager@gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't the latest news that Google&co and the linux foundation setup a
> construction that these vital opensource projects get the proper
> funding. Meaning more man power and hopefully less bugs

Yes, there's effort to improve OpenSSL from there, there's the LibreSSL project from OpenBSD and there's a from-scratch reimplementation of SSL in the Cambridge Computer Lab that's intended for easy verification[1], and Apple's CommonCrypto (which, in light of goto fail, might not be the best choice), so there are going to be a lot of choices in time for 11.  

There are very few users of OpenSSL in the base system (7, I think), so rewriting them to use less error-prone APIs would be feasible - a 100% OpenSSL-compatible API is not necessarily a requirement for a base-system SSL library.  

so@ and secteam@ get to make the final call on what we should be shipping, because they're the ones that will have to suffer from the fallout the next time there's a vulnerability.

David

[1] It's written in OCaml, but can have C APIs and can probably be compiled into C.  C that is machine generated from a typesafe language is a lot less likely to contain memory management bugs than C that is generated by a human...

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