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Date:      Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:04:45 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        Jamie Oulman <jamie@techsquare.com>, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc:        chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Just lost one to Linux. Compaq server support.
Message-ID:  <a05101007b8474b41be7a@[10.0.1.48]>
In-Reply-To: <20011220011035.A18793@techsquare.com>
References:  <20011219192206.J5735-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> <a05101004b846e457d3fb@[10.0.1.48]> <20011220011035.A18793@techsquare.com>

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At 1:10 AM -0500 on 2001/12/20, Jamie Oulman wrote:

>  	redhat like most everything else. can be secured.
>  	if properly maintained and kept up to date.

	Sure, like any OS.  But this implies that they have a clue and 
have some idea of what they're doing, which my reading of the 
previous messages on this subject would seem to indicate is almost 
certainly *NOT* the case in this particular instance -- these people 
are blindly ripping out FreeBSD for reasons that are almost certainly 
unrelated to the OS, and blindly dropping in Linux because they think 
it's shiny and something they want to play with.

	I have no problem at all if someone chooses to run Linux over 
FreeBSD and has valid reasons for doing so, even if those valid 
reasons are arbitrary, such as they just prefer Linux.  But to make a 
choice like this out of ignorance and stupidity, that's another 
matter entirely.

>                                                 the
>  	problem is most people who run redhat and linux
>  	in general dont know what they have running. its
>  	amazing how many default installs there are out
>  	there.

	Precisely.  IMO, this is exactly what you'll see with respect to 
this particular site, and why they can look forward to being 
compromised before the install is complete.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

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