Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:24:37 -0700 From: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> To: Ed Schouten <ed@80386.nl> Cc: Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Hans Petter Selasky <hselasky@c2i.net> Subject: Re: ttydev_cdevsw has no d_purge Message-ID: <501B1A45.8010000@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CAJOYFBBbskRbXjKZdv-JgHi4vJgW0S0N2DGvZgm5_oDWcY65ig@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120801160323.GN2676@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <CAJOYFBDsK8cZYc28sKcC0qcZrpy2=A3QAHvP5fEj9gn=Acwciw@mail.gmail.com> <201208012341.25509.hselasky@c2i.net> <5019B1F8.5080802@freebsd.org> <CAJOYFBBbskRbXjKZdv-JgHi4vJgW0S0N2DGvZgm5_oDWcY65ig@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8/2/12 4:23 AM, Ed Schouten wrote: > 2012/8/2 Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>: >> I think that the /dev/entries can (and SHOULD) go away when the hardware >> goes away and even be re-used. > But here's the point. TTYs are used in a different way than other > device nodes. Regular device nodes are simply opened by a set of > independent process (e.g. dd if=/dev/da0, a music player opening > /dev/dsp, etc). TTYs are used by a set of processes that share a weak > relationship, namely all belonging to the same login session. > > Things *really* break if you were to forcefully remove a TTY device > node and replace it by another TTY. Even for physical devices it would > be really bad to do. Consider a system that has two USB to serial > converters that are used for interactive login sessions. One is > plugged in, the other one isn't. If you unplug one device and plug in > the other, you never want the processes from the one login session to > start interacting with the other device. > > Also, applications relying on the user accounting database (utmpx) > will start to behave non-deterministically then. Do we really want > biff and wall to write stuff to random TTYs? they would only do that if they were refering to the node BY NAME. Once it's opened, the accesses go via teh internal ( vnode?) objects. if you make the name go away then that wouldn't have any effect on processes that already have the node open. It would be a property of the driver though to decide what happens, but EVENTUALLY yu are going to need to do something about it. > > Whether or not the TTY is a pseudo-terminal or not is completely > irrelevant in my opinion. >
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