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Date:      	Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:19:17 -0800 (PST)
From:      Tom Samplonius <tom@uniserve.com>
To:        Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
Cc:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>, sreid@edmbbs.iceonline.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Hardware for ISP / WWW server
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.91.951209111123.17129D-100000@haven.uniserve.com>
In-Reply-To: <199512091758.LAA22167@brasil.moneng.mei.com>

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On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Joe Greco wrote:

> > > 28.8 kbps modems for dial-up
> > 
> > Run dialup from a terminal server.  A Livingston portmaster is a great
> > box and has a very hackable security server. (Um... no, rather its easy
> > to modify to suit your needs)
> 
> Ewww, no way.
> 
> A Livingston Portmaster has some pretty gnarly drawbacks:
> 
> 1) has problems with subnets

  None, that I've seen.  And I run quite a few sub-nets from various 
Portmasters.  In fact, my house is connected by one.

> 2) requires you to waste IP addresses due to the way the thing reserves
>    addresses for dropped connections

  Huh?  You need 30 addresses for 30 ports.  There was a reported bug, 
that said that the unit would sometimes use 31 or 32.  But still hardly a 
waste.

> 3) in the case of dropped connections totally bungles the way its handled

  I haven't seen this either.

> 4) isn't really all that flexible

  Not especially.  But what it does, it does well.

> 5) etc  (my mind can't think this morning)
> 
> I deal with sites that use FreeBSD as terminal servers and sites that use
> Portmasters as terminal servers.  Invariably the sites with Portmasters have
> all sorts of bizarro hacks in place to try to get around various problems
> and limitations that these stupid devices seem to cause and/or impose.
>
> If you want a "real" terminal server, buy an Annex.

  A Portmaster can run all ports with PPP at 115,200 baud continous.  Try 
that on an Annex.

> If you want a more flexible solution than either of these two, go get a
> dedicated FreeBSD box.  With the price of a 486DX4/120 motherboard being
> around $200, 16MB of RAM for about $500, and a 16 port BocaBoard for about
> $250, you can make a really reasonable terminal server quite easily.

  The problem is, is that PC serial hardware will never give you 
performance of a terminal server.


Tom



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