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Date:      Sat, 16 May 1998 18:25:11 +0200
From:      Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
To:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [2] cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd ftpd.c
Message-ID:  <19980516182511.30534@follo.net>
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On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 05:00:03PM +0400, Андрей Чернов wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> > Hey!  This sounds like it break my setups (I carefully clone
> > /etc/localtime into <chroot>/etc) by forcing everything to use GMT -
> > does it?
> 
> Fake dates you produce using /etc/localtime is evil, imagine date
> mismatches between stuff copied from ftp mirror and made localy in tar
> archive. They even can broke 'make' process f.e. The same about CDROM
> writing.

They're only a problem for mirrored FTP sites.  This is not the most
common case; supporting this case is fine, but breaking things for
everybody else is IMO not an acceptable tradeoff.

> They are all fake in your case, because outside connections can
> assume GMT only due to lack of timezone support in FTP protocol.

They're not at all fake - they're displayed to the user by e.g. 'ls',
and the user get the time they should expect.

I'd request that you either back this change out or provide it as an
option (the latter being the best option).  I don't think it should be
the default case; it breaks POLA not to be able to make things display
the right times, as seen from a users perspective.

Eivind, who wish all the world was UTC.

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