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Date:      Tue, 2 May 2000 21:21:14 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Matt Heckaman <matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET>
To:        "Gary D. Margiotta" <gary@tbe.net>
Cc:        FreeBSD-ISP <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: freebsd hosting.
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005022113210.9170-100000@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005022057150.49780-100000@thud.tbe.net>

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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote:

: Gonna start a holy war here, but for a 'newbie' I'd rather reccommend
: Postfix instead of Q-Mail.  I have used both, and Q-mail to me
: just seems too much patching and work to get it to do the simplest things,
: like rbl lookups, spam control, etc.

I'll try not to make this post anything that will further a holy war, I
also turned to postfix at first for the task. It's a nice system, but I
find it cluttered, and I find the virtual hosting far more complex than
it needs to be. Regarding spam control, one (and only one) patch solved
this entire problem to me, thanks to Michael Graff <explorer@flame.org>
which can be found at http://www.flame.org/qmail.

: Postfix is a little more like sendmail, and is I think a bit better at
: delegating for virtual hosting and aliasing (over Q-Mail at least)... I
: have two machines running FreeBSD with Postfix, doing e-mail for over 250
: domains - nary a problem.

Fair enough, I think it's a matter of opinion. Try both systems out, pick
one you like and go for it. Both are capable of doing the job, thus making
our personal preferences rather redundant =)
 
: Co-location is definitely a better way to go than a frame, IMHO.  We have
: a rack, and it's much less expensive than running a frame to your house.  
: There are inconveniences, such as not having the boxes right on premises,
: and needing to go to the provider if you need to do work, but for the
: cost/connectivity, you really can't beat it.

Absolutely - However, the last time I was in colocation, I had to make
appointments to get to my box, once taking over a week to get in to fix a
downed server, needless to say I was pissed off and left them shortly
thereafter; replacing the whole colocation situation with a T1 from UUnet,
and I'm much happier with it, haven't had the slightest problem.
 
: DSL is still in its infancy, and if you need uptime, you still won't get
: it reliably yet.  Too many bugs to still work out.

Yep, not to mention it doesn't seem to be a priority for companies to fix
when something goes wrong. Sympatico has taken along time to fix some of
their problems before.
 
: Just my $.02, I'll shut up now... ;)

ditto =)
 
: -Gary

Matt Heckaman
matt@arpa.mail.net
http://www.lucida.qc.ca

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