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Date:      Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:38:05 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "<dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: git: f4d987cd137c - main - mk: WITH_FOO=no now generates a warning
Message-ID:  <CANCZdfrbuz-HCRgm=wAuNdKHbH9G%2B5bq2JG25kJU12KdXpi31g@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <202106101146.15ABk345019564@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
References:  <202106100011.15A0B0oI080542@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <202106101146.15ABk345019564@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 5:46 AM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
wrote:

> > The branch main has been updated by imp:
> >
> > URL:
> https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=f4d987cd137cb2d0d54a3e35d9258ca7c175d291
> >
> > commit f4d987cd137cb2d0d54a3e35d9258ca7c175d291
> > Author:     Warner Losh <imp@FreeBSD.org>
> > AuthorDate: 2021-06-10 00:10:12 +0000
> > Commit:     Warner Losh <imp@FreeBSD.org>
> > CommitDate: 2021-06-10 00:10:52 +0000
> >
> >     mk: WITH_FOO=no now generates a warning
>
> First off thank you, this may stop some head scratching!
>
> But what about WITHOUT_foo=no the symetrical mistake?
> I see bdrewey raised this in the review, but it was dismissed
> using the argument that some languages, spanish specifically,
> allow double negatives.  This is computers engineering,
> and in that field of science double negatives are clearly
> defined and understood, so using an argument of a language
> that simply does not apply to the field, IMHO, is an arguement
> of low standing.
>

It's not the same, and I'm not solving that error because the mapping
is ambiguous. I've seen a lot more instances of people using
WITHOUT_FOO=no unironically because it makes sense to the
person doing it. I disagree it's not a language issue, because
language is involved here: how do we assign semantic meaning
is unclear and I have no desire to get involved in what I clearly
view as a quagmire.


> Also I do not believe == is a case insensitive operation
> so this code fails for NO, No, and nO(sic).
>

Also true. Again, this isn't perfect. I have no desire to make it
perfect, because the list isn't finite.

If you'd like to own this issue, feel free, but it's not something I
wish to pursue further.

Warner


> Regards,
> Rod
> >
> >     Many people are used to gnu configure's behavior of changing
> >     --with-foo=no to --without-foo. At the same time, several folks have
> >     WITH_FOO=no in their config files to enable this ironic form of the
> >     option because of an old meme from IRC, a mailing list or the forums
> (I
> >     forget which). Add a warning to allow to alert people w/o breaking
> POLA.
> >
> >     Reviewed by:            allanjude, bdrewery, manu
> >     MFC After:              2 weeks
> >     Sponsored by:           Netflix
> >     Differential Revision:  https://reviews.freebsd.org/D30684
> > ---
> >  share/mk/bsd.mkopt.mk | 6 ++++++
> >  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/share/mk/bsd.mkopt.mk b/share/mk/bsd.mkopt.mk
> > index 5a9cf1b2f1be..98d23dd46c2a 100644
> > --- a/share/mk/bsd.mkopt.mk
> > +++ b/share/mk/bsd.mkopt.mk
> > @@ -36,6 +36,9 @@
> >  #
> >  .for var in ${__DEFAULT_YES_OPTIONS}
> >  .if !defined(MK_${var})
> > +.if defined(WITH_${var}) && ${WITH_${var}} == "no"
> > +.warning "Use WITHOUT_${var}=1 insetad of WITH_${var}=no"
> > +.endif
> >  .if defined(WITHOUT_${var})                  # WITHOUT always wins
> >  MK_${var}:=  no
> >  .else
> > @@ -54,6 +57,9 @@ MK_${var}:= yes
> >  #
> >  .for var in ${__DEFAULT_NO_OPTIONS}
> >  .if !defined(MK_${var})
> > +.if defined(WITH_${var}) && ${WITH_${var}} == "no"
> > +.warning "Use WITHOUT_${var}=1 insetad of WITH_${var}=no"
> > +.endif
> >  .if defined(WITH_${var}) && !defined(WITHOUT_${var}) # WITHOUT always
> wins
> >  MK_${var}:=  yes
> >  .else
> >
>
> --
> Rod Grimes
> rgrimes@freebsd.org
>



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