Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:27:16 -0400 From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: "Andrey V. Elsukov" <bu7cher@yandex.ru>, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator Message-ID: <201310231427.16812.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com> References: <5265878B.1050809@yandex.ru> <526810DB.20705@mu.org> <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:11:29 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 23 October 2013 11:09, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote: > > > > Eh, having taken a stab at porting the bwl blob already, I would strongly > >> oppose removing NDIS. If you do that I will just stop using my netbook > >> with a Broadcom part altogether as I wouldn't be able to use it to try to > >> test bwl changes. The NDIS thing is a bit hackish, but it is quite useful > >> for a lot of folks. > >> > >> I have to agree. Deprecation != motivation. > > > I can pull out examples of this not holding true: > > * all the giant locking in drivers > * all the giant locking in VFS > > People did pop up and claim ownership of things they cared about. Some > stuff died, some stuff didn't. There was enough of a motivation by us to > kill giant off in these pathways so things could continue to evolve. We > didn't leave the GIANT crutch in forever. Giant isn't dead yet. :) (And I've done a lot of the de-Gianting FWIW.) I don't consider ndis in the same camp. Often times there are vendors where datasheets, etc. are not obtainable, but a foo.sys + foo.inf is. -- John Baldwin
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