Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 18:09:38 +0100 From: Stephen Patrick <stephen@cablefree.net> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: TDMA Wireless status? Message-ID: <CANt51yLuMxWRV_oqYvr3LRVXJAP93fVZVDvk5XbncAW1q6dRXg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmokOw0Tb18gLb4S8ezy76SEOL1sc1Gpmx%2BGRXYDTuJnvbQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANt51y%2BSgv2O%2B5TV0rsE%2BK_WL%2BuVYGarh54NviY5arVkFsU1Ng@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmokHwKSqtXO6=Yi85xxxJLF9zvDuxzqnzo_BcQTAjJ8v1Q@mail.gmail.com> <CANt51yLhZWi30vGaQGjjJ2fM237huzn-Rmh=9949Lx6d%2Bh9p0Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-Vmon2DJWZjMUHea8O=bYZ1cN1k=MnikCp4UEwaTwJZMziJQ@mail.gmail.com> <CANt51yJQ=iX7afgCQZrd1EqgjmCp8kPnbQ_mmvZL7qV6DvyZmg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmokOw0Tb18gLb4S8ezy76SEOL1sc1Gpmx%2BGRXYDTuJnvbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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That sounds really interesting! Is anyone - your or others - interested in pursuing this work further? We are very interested - Look forward to hearing more, Best regards Stephen On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 19:55, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com> wrote: > hi! > > Ok, so the 30 second version: > > * the AR54xx, AR91xx and later 11n chips had some changes to the > resolution of the timers that Sam used to control transmit timing and > windows; that should all work fine; > * there's no rate control right now, it's "stuff as many frames into the > queue and let the hardware transmit what it can when it can"; that isn't > optimal but it works fine; > * Sam didn't publish code to support >1 STA but I don't think it'd be hard > to add that support. > > SO, out of the box the basic TDMA bits work. But! > > The important gotcha - on the AR9380 and later chips the DMA engine logic > changed. The "FIFO" model uses a FIFO of TX descriptor lists. The earlier > model just had TX descriptor list that you would append to. Unfortunately > when they added that they changed the ungate to ungate a single FIFO entry, > rather than run the DMA engine until all the txop timers had completed. > > So for example if you pushed in eight individual packets into 8 FIFO slots > in the voice queue and then you got a voice TxOP, you may notice you're > only getting a /single/ FIFO slot - ie, one packet - each TxOP. > > This shows up when doing TDMA because, unfortunately, the TDMA TX uses the > TxOP window to control how long each TDMA burst is. So if you only fill in > a couple of frames per FIFO slot, it will only transmit a couple frames per > TXOP window. I did some hackery in if_ath_tx_edma.c to try and build up > larger lists of frames to send to the hardware and it proved that i can hit > the theoretical max. But it's not optimal, because say you only send 3/4 of > your frame list in a single FIFO slot. Well, the next TXOP it'll only send > the last 1/4 and then stop until the next TXOP when it'll grab the next > FIFO slot. So, the "right" behaviour would be to push roughly a TXOP worth > of frames into a FIFO slot and hope that you're mostly hitting the > theoretical maximum. > > I never got around to implementing AMPDU on it because, well, I got busy > with life. AMPDU is a bit of a pain because we'd have to implement delayed > block-ack in net80211 and .. again, I never got around to it. It's not > impossible, but someone's gonna have to do it. (ie, you'd send A-MPDU > bursts during your TxOP and then there would be either a delayed block-ack > response in the next burst from the receiver, or it would use its beacon > interval to piggyback the delayed block ack on.) > > I hope that helps! > > > > -adrian > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 04:20, Stephen Patrick <stephen@cablefree.net> > wrote: > >> Hello Adrian! >> >> Yes, we're certainly very interested. >> >> Ideally, looking for a developer who could assist in making this real & >> working. >> >> Look forward to hearing more, >> Best regards >> >> Stephen >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 19:46, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> There's some work done on the ath(4) hardware for 11a parts done by Sam >>> Leffler. I fixed it for 11n parts. It's in FreeBSD-HEAD. >>> >>> I figured out how to get it mostly working on the AR93xx/AR94xx parts >>> too but it turns out there are some significant hardware changes in how the >>> MAC schedules packets that a whole lot of work needs to be done to get >>> effective TDMA on those parts. >>> >>> If you're interested in it I can brain dump where I was at with it! >>> >>> >>> -adrian >>> >>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 01:51, Stephen Patrick <stephen@cablefree.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Adrian, >>>> >>>> We are interested in "long range outdoor" (10-20km) with high gain >>>> antennas. >>>> Do you know "Mikrotik Nstreme/NV2" and "Ubiquity Airmax" ? >>>> Those have framing/polling done in software - wrapped around the >>>> wireless driver. >>>> Is there equivalent developed in FreeBSD? >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 20:52, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi! >>>>> >>>>> I know that a lot of the 11ac chips do TDMA but the vendors keep the >>>>> implementation and knobs close to their chest. We don't have any public >>>>> APIs for it. Sorry :( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 10:23, Stephen Patrick <stephen@cablefree.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear sirs, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this feature working for point-to-point, and point-to-multipoint >>>>>> long >>>>>> range links? >>>>>> 802.11ac chipsets/modes supported? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Stephen Patrick* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Director* >>>>>> >>>>>> Wireless Excellence Limited >>>>>> The Oxford Science Park >>>>>> G6, Magdalen Centre, Robert Robinson Avenue >>>>>> Oxford OX4 4GA - United Kingdom >>>>>> >>>>>> CAUTION - This message is confidential and may contain privileged >>>>>> information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. >>>>>> If you >>>>>> are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >>>>>> notified that >>>>>> any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message >>>>>> is >>>>>> prohibited. 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