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Date:      Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:58:47 +0200
From:      Andriy Gapon <avg@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Hans Petter Selasky <hselasky@c2i.net>
Cc:        usb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, mdf@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: kern_yield vs ukbd_yield
Message-ID:  <4EEE29D7.6020504@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <201112181839.24813.hselasky@c2i.net>
References:  <4EE51CB5.1060505@FreeBSD.org> <201112171806.43764.hselasky@c2i.net> <4EEDC771.800@FreeBSD.org> <201112181839.24813.hselasky@c2i.net>

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on 18/12/2011 19:39 Hans Petter Selasky said the following:
> On Sunday 18 December 2011 11:58:57 Andriy Gapon wrote:
>> on 17/12/2011 19:06 Hans Petter Selasky said the following:
>>> If the problem is only in UKBD driver, I don't think this is a big
>>> problem to solve. The reason for the auto-magic locking, is that I've
>>> sometimes seen callers in non-polling mode call into UKBD without Giant
>>> locked. And this causes a panic when starting USB transfers, because the
>>> code expects Giant to be locked.
>>
>> Hmm, do you have an example of such a panic? I couldn't find how this could
>> be possible in my examination of non-polling entry points into syscons and
>> kbd drives.
> 
> mtx_assert(&Giant, MTX_OWNED); will panic if Giant is not locked. Do you need 
> an example?

Yes :-)  I want to see a non-polled code path in the keyboard layer where Giant
is not locked.

>>> Requirement: I would say that to use UKBD polling mode, the scheduler
>>> must be stopped. Else you should not use polling mode at all. I think
>>> that mountroot is getting characters the wrong way in this regard.
>>
>> I think that this is a too strong / unnecessary requirement.  I think that
>> now (after my recent syscons commits) ukbd should work correctly and
>> optimally in this context.
>>
>> I have written a small article about my analysis of locking in syscons,
>> underlying kbd drivers and ukbd in particular:
>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/AvgSyscons
>> I could have misunderstood or missed things, so I will appreciate a review
>> and discussion of my observations.  Thank you!
> 
> I will have a look at it when I find some time!

Hope it won't be long.  Thank you!

-- 
Andriy Gapon



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