Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:45:46 +0100 From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>, "Konstantinos Konstantinidis" <kkonstan@duth.gr>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles@skynet.be> Subject: Re: A breath of fresh air.. Message-ID: <a0510102bb8377deadcaf@[10.0.1.16]> In-Reply-To: <01e401c17fbe$0f0ae2d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk><000b01c17f42$c23ab140$0a0 0000a@atkielski.com><3C110351.4748B559@duth.gr><005001c17f6c$e60c0ef0$ 0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15377.17350.796336.801464@guru.mired.org> <006901c17f70$19a2f820$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C11560B.A035DEF3@duth.gr> <009401c17f9c$5bad3bf0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <a05101007b837448d6ad8@[10.0.1.16]> <010601c17fab$1cd2b270$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <a0510100fb8375b52c121@[10.0.1.16]> <016f01c17fb4$b3c1fc00$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <a0510101eb8376b377aa1@[10.0.1.16]> <01e401c17fbe$0f0ae2d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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At 8:57 AM +0100 on 2001/12/08, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> But it's not a general problem. > > It isn't? If I define it so, why wouldn't it be? You can't define an orange to be a pear. Sure, you can play all the word games you want, and call them xyzzx and slartybartfast and then swap the labels around all you want, but that doesn't change the fundamental nature of the two different types of fruit. >> So long as you continue to persist in creating >> totally inappropriate flights of fancy in the >> framing of your loaded questions, we will refuse >> to give you the answer you want to hear. > > In other words, it is impossible to answer my question without saying > "Windows," and so reasons must be found not to answer it. That's what what > I wished to demonstrate. No, you've concocted a totally unrealistic "general" situation where you cannot possible accept any answer other than "Windows", and we're refusing to give you the answer that you crave. > I'm not spamming anyone, nor have I done so in the past. Claims to the contrary and all attempts at revisionist history don't change the facts. > I seem to annoy you, probably because I have questioned your opinions, and > you have realized that you cannot objectively defend them, and you do not > wish to admit that they are merely opinions, with no greater objective > validity than the opinions of anyone else. No, you annoy me because you concoct totally asinine situations in which you will not accept any answer other than the one you want to hear, and then you whine and bitch and moan when people poke holes in your supposedly perfect situation, and you make attempts to revise history to fix the holes that are identified. If you want to talk about the real world, there have been situations where I have recommended that people choose Windows for their computers. This is because they needed a machine that could run the same programs as their machine at work, or because there was a local friend or family member who was likely to provide most of the user support and that friend or family member knew only Windows, or they wanted to trade programs with friends or family members who already had Windows, or other perfectly logical reasons. However, under the same circumstances, I have also recommended to people that they go with an Amiga, or Macintosh, or any of several other choices over the years. I am a MacFanatic myself, but when answering questions like this in the real world, I go out of my way to make this bias clear to the person asking the question, and I make a point of trying to help them come to a perfectly rational decision for perfectly rational reasons. But I refuse to be dragged down your artificial rat hole. >> I do not dispute that Windows has the highest unit >> "sales" figures for OSes so far, but keep in mind >> that until recently you simply could not buy or sell >> an x86 machine without Windows installed (and "sold"), >> regardless of the purpose that the machine was going to >> be put to. > > Do you not equate sales with use? No, I don't. Indeed, I even question whether these could be called "sales" at all, since Microsoft actually provides a kick-back to the vendor for every machine sold with Windows pre-installed. > If not, what is the reason for not > equating them? Kick-backs? > Do you have reason to believe that Windows is being removed > from a statistically-significant proportion of machines sold with the OS, > and replaced with something else? Depends on how you define "statistically significant". > If so, what else is replacing it, and > what is the basis for your belief? Based on what evidence I've encountered so far, it seems that various different Linux distributions and FreeBSD are pretty popular replacements. >> Until you can get an agreement on the basic terms >> of discussion, you cannot rationally make any >> higher-level argument. > > See above. I actually made my point long ago, however. If you made the point you wanted to make, then why are you continuing to spam everyone? Oh, right. I also forgot that you have last-word-itis. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be> H4sICIFgXzsCA2RtYS1zaWcAPVHLbsMwDDvXX0H0kkvbfxiwVw8FCmzAzqqj1F4dy7CdBfn7 Kc6wmyGRFEnvvxiWQoCvqI7RSWTcfGXQNqCUAnfIU+AT8OZ/GCNjRVlH0bKpguJkxiITZqes MxwpSucyDJzXxQEUe/ihgXqJXUXwD9ajB6NHonLmNrUSK9nacHQnH097szO74xFXqtlbT3il wMsBz5cnfCR5cEmci0Rj9u/jqBbPeES1I4PeFBXPUIT1XDSOuutFXylzrQvGyboWstCoQZyP dxX4dLx0eauFe1x9puhoi0Ao1omEJo+BZ6XLVNaVpWiKekxN0VK2VMpmAy+Bk7ZV4SO+p1L/ uErNRS/qH2iFU+iNOtbcmVt9N16lfF7tLv9FXNj8AiyNcOi1AQAA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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