Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:43:42 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> Cc: Xin Li <delphij@delphij.net>, Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, Xin LI <d@delphij.net>, Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>, Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net>, Oliver Pinter <oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org>, "Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav" <des@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Security Team <secteam@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh Message-ID: <CANCZdfrgLOTeKrCO2pDh6ETxuatcyghcEDUu1E8x6QP1z=3-6w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20160808072547.GA19715@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <201608031608.u73G8Mjq055909@repo.freebsd.org> <d419bddd-fe56-bc11-8965-142ca0b94ebc@fastmail.net> <9a01870a-d99d-13a2-54bd-01d32616263c@fastmail.net> <CAPQ4fftQ30_aqU8V_ea-WEKBdMZs5H9Rwxnfa0crid_df049nQ@mail.gmail.com> <b99c06ac-82d6-ccda-419c-2ece5be4636f@fastmail.net> <30e655d1-1df7-5e2a-fccb-269e3cea4684@freebsd.org> <20160807204039.GB79784@server.rulingia.com> <ab58ed22-7dd1-7b8d-fcc5-71def5936901@freebsd.org> <8371434C-86F6-4DCB-82D4-F236BBC2F9A2@bsdimp.com> <226b9a3c-8ca8-af31-7665-86d51365fc81@delphij.net> <20160808072547.GA19715@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 03:48:44PM -0700, Xin Li wrote: >> >> >> On 8/7/16 14:20, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> OTOH, FreeBSD has a documented deprecation process that says things will >> >>> continue working for a major release after being formally deprecated. >> >> >> >> FreeBSD 11 is not released yet (betas are not counted), stable-10 too, >> >> so it is right time to deprecate for them. >> > >> > Nice try, but feature freeze was months ago. Have you got buy in from the >> > security officer and the release engineer? >> >> Well, despite the fact that I have to admit that I get locked out from >> my own storage box too, however (even without wearing any hat) I am for >> the change and would blame myself for being lazy in adopting the change >> when the upstream have announced it earlier about a year ago. > > While the timing sucks, I don't see any way around this change given our > experience with the HPN patches and that upstream plans to kill this > feature, we must not ship 11 with support enabled. There's just no > practical way to keep adding back a feature for 4-5 years. Then we should put http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html in the release notes, UPDATING and maybe the man page. Warner
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