Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:53:03 +0000 From: Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> To: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. Message-ID: <20041130065303.GC68012@iconoplex.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr> References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <1101748454.41ab58e61eb88@imp2-q.free.fr> <FA1860B97FADCA625C68119A@[192.168.1.16]> <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr>
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:25:09AM +0100, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Another example is packaging of the base system. This does not mean > turning BSD into Red Hat, it means being able more easily to remove > optional components, and having less junk (like stale header files) > lying around after an installworld. People have posted patches > on FreeBSD lists to register parts of the world in the pkg database, > but there's no chance of it becoming mainstream. There is a chance of that becoming mainstream because it's something lots of people are trying to work out how to make happen. There is even a bsdtar that doesn't need to use /tmp when extracting, specifically to make package management at install time nicer to manage. No scrub that, it's not that it makes it nicer, it's that is makes it *possible*. Anyway, seeing as whenever I ask any users how they're finding 5.3 now they've upgraded the stock answer is "pile of shit" I think it might be a good idea to let people get on with fixing the basics before we start the pkg management/installer bikeshed again. :-) As for the boot menu... it should have stayed IMHO, simply as it was better for new users than what has replaced it or what preceeded it. I personally got used to it, and now I'll have to adjust and re-educate the juniors on how to single-user a box for no real clear benefit. I have to admit that recently, upgrading and using FBSD in a production environment has started to feel a little - just a *little*, mind - like a fight instead of a pleasure. It feels like somebody is driving backwards on various decisions. It's odd - can't put my finger on it. Still, I'm sure it'll get better. Unless everybody has decided to run off and play with OS X instead. But let's not do that one again. :-) -- Paul Robinson http://www.iconoplex.co.uk/ "All I know is I'm not a Marxist" - Karl Marx
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