Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 10:05:29 -0800 From: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> To: "Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)" <sgharms@stevengharms.com> Cc: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) Message-ID: <Z6EFaan24qJc82hw@cell.glebi.us> In-Reply-To: <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com> References: <JDv17dtjl93rFR9A8XB9qHlawC2oW7JmmXWsnMKq2r51p61si48CAAOzIBi6pY_nTMdJ7zCvSL6M-Hics-CrqLhDJjZP2SG0v1zEHqH8Ug4=@stevengharms.com> <CAFYkXjmN7ma1GDuFP5p3KdHJtoO9Yri-iNLtuOL6mDKx91CBhA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnEW8G03VKw4B77-aMQFnPLH7RZQApxWqCZpts5rpQWiA@mail.gmail.com> <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com>
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On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote: S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well. This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current winner". This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good features. But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem that computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something. This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is not a feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a problem and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop market. As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. Was OSX more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX instead of FreeBSD? Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally enable silent boot are welcome. -- Gleb Smirnoff
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