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Date:      Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:25 +0200
From:      Michael Nottebrock <lofi@freebsd.org>
To:        Adam Weinberger <adamw@magnesium.net>
Cc:        cvs-ports@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger <netchild@freebsd.org>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports CHANGES UPDATING ports/Mk bsd.port.mk ports/accessibility/linux-atk Makefile pkg-plist ports/archivers/stuffit Makefile ports/astro/linux-setiathome Makefile ports/audio/baudline Makefile ports/audio/linux-arts ...
Message-ID:  <200506261309.26868.lofi@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <42BDF3D9.6000803@magnesium.net>
References:  <200506172259.j5HMxTad068378@repoman.freebsd.org> <200506251924.24269.lofi@freebsd.org> <42BDF3D9.6000803@magnesium.net>

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On Sunday, 26. June 2005 02:16, Adam Weinberger wrote:

> lofi -
>
> You're kindof beating a dead horse here.=20

Obviously not. Or to put it another way, just read Alexander's mails to see=
=20
how this horse had been dead for so long that people are mistaking its deca=
y=20
scent for a BBQ and even will make a case for it to stay and rot further!

> For the meantime, stuff should go into X11BASE, where everything X-based
> except for KDE and OOo is, and should become part of the list of stuff
> to be moved to LOCALBASE.

Huh? What kind of a strategy is that? Sticking our heads into the sand=20
full-force until they magically emerge on the other side of the planet agai=
n?

> If you can come up with a deployment plan to leave xorg in X11BASE and=20
> move everything else out, *please* let us know! But arguing about how=20
> things are wrong now won't solve much.

How about appointing some of the many, many people who are in agreement wit=
h=20
me to portmgr deputies for a start so there's at least some manpower=20
available? I can guarantee you that nobody will just sit down and submit a =
PR=20
with a megapatch without some kind of backing by portmgr/RE.

Also, the mass-migration is just the critical last step. The very first ste=
p,=20
as Alexander has pointed out, is to change the documentation to even more=20
clearly state that putting anything that isn't part of the X11R6 distributi=
on=20
is taboo. It's a silly verbal cluebat, but we're apparently in need for one.

And there's a lot of stuff that doesn't need a huge deployment plan, but ju=
st=20
a good opportunity. Qt for example can easily move out of X11R6 - I'm=20
planning to do the move with Qt 4, where changing the prefix will have the=
=20
additional bonus of making it harder for people to try and compile KDE 3.x=
=20
with Qt 4. I'm pretty sure there are many other things in X11R6 that can be=
=20
rather easily moved before we'd need to deal with the big showstoppers (lik=
e=20
GNOME).

=2D-=20
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