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Date:      Sat, 23 May 1998 12:32:04 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        IBS / Andre Oppermann <andre@pipeline.ch>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD mailing lists with high latency
Message-ID:  <19980523123204.P339@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <356613CE.14DAE847@pipeline.ch>; from IBS / Andre Oppermann on Sat, May 23, 1998 at 02:09:50AM %2B0200
References:  <356613CE.14DAE847@pipeline.ch>

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On Sat, 23 May 1998 at  2:09:50 +0200, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote:
> I'm now since Aug '96 on various freebsd-* mailing list and I see the
> latency between sending the mail and getting it back via the list
> is longer every day. In case of my last posting it took 1 hr and 20 min
> to get back.
>
> Is this related to the box the list is runnig on or is it simply
> an overloaded sendmail. Then it might be worth a thought to switch
> to qmail (it's really some hundred times faster than sendmail for
> big lists).

jmb will probably get back to you with more details, but briefly:

hub sends the messages to a number of different relays rather than
directly to each recipient.  Some of these relays can be slow.  To
know where the delay is in your case, look at the headers.  For
example, yesterday I got a couple of duplicate messages sent to two
different mailing lists.  It appears that the relay host had gone down
in between, and as a result the two copies appeared something like 10
hours apart.  The headers showed that they left hub a few seconds
apart.

I don't know qmail, but I find it hard to believe that it is really
"several hundred times" faster.  It's possible that it looks that way
due to different delivery strategies (try to deliver to all recipients
at the same time), but I would have my doubts about how effective this
is with 800 messages being relayed at the same time, as is currently
the case at hub.

Greg
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