Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:19:35 -0500 From: "Crist J. Clark" <cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> To: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org> Cc: Mark Ovens <mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>, "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On "intelligent people" and "dangers to BSD" Message-ID: <20000326231935.D6632@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> In-Reply-To: <38DE8B4D.5DAE0740@gorean.org>; from Doug@gorean.org on Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 02:12:29PM -0800 References: <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> <38DB8D34.1A750C81@originative.co.uk> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003241806320.805-100000@acp.swbell.net> <20000325104927.B234@parish> <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> <20000325222749.D234@parish> <3.0.6.32.20000326005810.00a9dd00@mail85.pair.com> <20000326121505.D234@parish> <38DE8B4D.5DAE0740@gorean.org>
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On Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 02:12:29PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> Mark Ovens wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 12:58:10AM -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote:
> > > At 22:27 25-03-2000 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote:
> > > >Perhaps if those who preached about civil liberties focussed on the
> > > >rights of victims more than the rights of criminals we may get
> > > >somewhere.
> > >
> > > The victims have the right to carry firearms. Unfortunately, most people do
> > > not carry them, many would not even know how to use them. Had the victims
> > > been armed and trained, most of them would not have been victimized.
> > >
> > > Criminals would be less likely to commit violent crimes if they expected
> > > most people to be armed and trained.
> > >
> >
> > IOW it would be a deterrent? Somehow I don't think so.
>
> Actually this has been proven fairly conclusively already. Florida and
> Virginia have very liberal concealed carry laws. They also have two of
> the lowest rates of violent crime in the US.
Interesting. I just came to a complete halt at the idea that Florida
had one of the lowest violent crime rates and had to look it up. What
time span are you refering to and what measure of the crime rate?
Violent crimes per
100,000 population
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STATE 1990 1997
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Rate Rank Rate Rank
------------------------------------------------------------------
Florida 1,244 1 1,024 1
Virginia 351 34 345 34
Data from http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank11.txt.
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Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com
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