Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:30:49 +0200 From: "Ernest Sales" <ersaloz@gmail.com> To: "'Jim Pingle'" <lists@pingle.org>, <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1 Content] Message-ID: <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> In-Reply-To: <20080904160211.927EF10657BF@hub.freebsd.org>
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> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400 > From: Jim Pingle <lists@pingle.org> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content > To: Wesley Shields <wxs@FreeBSD.org> > Cc: Dan Allen <danallen46@airwired.net>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wesley Shields wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, > which may be > >> the way to go. > >> > >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are > net-centric (like > >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports > >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful > >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need > the net to be > >> useful. > > > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working > connection to install > > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that > it is still > > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, > bringing us right > > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > Could this not also be resolved another way? > > Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable > desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not > make that a DVD > instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older > machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may > not have the > horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM > drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a > desktop-oriented live CD > with X either. :-) > > Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would > have a lot more > room to work with. > > The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. > Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup > mirror, then use > an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The > packages on CD are > out of date practically from the moment they are placed > there, so I rarely > use them. The only package I regularly used was I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag. Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so? Ernest > cvsup-without-gui, which has > been replaced by csup in the base system. > > Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much > like FreeSBIE and > PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare > apples to apples, > you might investigate those choices a little closer. > > Jim
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