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Date:      Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:58:38 -0500
From:      Kevin Day <toasty@dragondata.com>
To:        Jan Bramkamp <crest@rlwinm.de>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Neutered devices in jails (per FS flag?)
Message-ID:  <7D445BFC-AB18-4EAD-8065-F0A934B1A479@dragondata.com>
In-Reply-To: <55F99F5A.302@rlwinm.de>
References:  <E0C9157B-0FB7-4B2B-9BA2-5779DA7877FF@dragondata.com> <55F99F5A.302@rlwinm.de>

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> On 16/09/15 18:30, Kevin Day wrote:
>> We=E2=80=99re currently using jails to allow servers to copy backups =
of themselves to a central backup server. The problem we=E2=80=99re =
having is with mknod/devices. Currently jails don=E2=80=99t allow device =
files to be created, which makes sense - you don=E2=80=99t want them to =
be able to bypass the jail by opening /dev/kmem or something. We want =
jails to be able to create device files, just not be able to open/use =
them.
>>=20
>> Has anyone given any thought to changing this behavior? Allowing =
jails to create/manipulate device files, but not actually opening them? =
I.e. instead of returning EPERM on creating the device, instead return =
EPERM on opening it? This would likely need to be a filesystem flag, =
because jails still require some devices to work (a separate devfs mount =
or something). We could make the jail=E2=80=99s /dev read only or use =
devfs so those devices still work, but have the parent jail directory =
with a =E2=80=9Cnoopendev=E2=80=9D flag or something similar.
>>=20
>> Has anyone gone down this path before?
>=20
> There is no reason to backup device files on FreeBSD because FreeBSD =
uses a dynamic devfs. Backup the devfs rules and devfs.conf instead of =
the device files.

We=E2=80=99re backing up non-FreeBSD systems, as well as some software =
that creates its own devices inside a mini-chroot it needs to run.






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