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Date:      Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:09:14 +0100
From:      Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>
To:        Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>
Cc:        Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>, Joshua Goodall <joshua@roughtrade.net>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@freebsd-services.com, brian@freebsd-services.com
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.var.dist src/etc/namedb named.conf 
Message-ID:  <200108291309.f7TD9Ef75762@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>
In-Reply-To: Message from Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>  of "Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:54:27 %2B0200." <76231.999089667@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> 

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> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:47:16 +0100, Brian Somers wrote:
> 
> > The point is that /usr/src/etc/defaults/rc.conf *will* be blindly 
> > installed on top of /etc/defaults/rc.conf.  People's configuration 
> > *will* break because of this.  An UPDATING entry *is* required to 
> > let people know.
> 
> Who's configurations, Brian?

For the n'th time on this thread, everyone that has

  named_enable=YES

in /etc/rc.conf and don't have ``named_flags='' will now have named 
running with -u bind and will not be able to update their secondary 
zone files.  They won't be able to read any KEY files that are 
readable only by root.  They won't be able to query if they have 
``query-source blah port 53''.

Now perhaps someone can tell me what the purpose of this blatant
-minded breakage is.  What do we gain by changing the default 
variable values for a service that has never been enabled by default ?

We're now encouraging people to cut and past chunks of 
defaults/rc.conf (*_flags for a start) so that they can protect 
themselves from the inconsiderate opinions of FreeBSD developers.

I have no objection to people running named in a sandbox, and I 
certainly don't think we should discourage it.  We should however bear 
in mind that everyone that has configured named on FreeBSD in the last 
few years has had the sandbox option prominently available to them and 
have made their decisions.  Mindlessly breaking those decisions for 
our users is not smart.

-- 
Brian <brian@freebsd-services.com>                <brian@Awfulhak.org>
      http://www.freebsd-services.com/        <brian@[uk.]FreeBSD.org>
Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour !      <brian@[uk.]OpenBSD.org>



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