Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 16:12:10 +0100 (CET) From: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: building libclang and WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN? Message-ID: <1085097762.8654.1764083530992@localhost> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqpykTvWv5LJkHacWzFYGsG-tNKbQwiWaZ7A1FvTfCVdg@mail.gmail.com> References: <1375923085.6629.1764078726226@localhost> <CANCZdfqpykTvWv5LJkHacWzFYGsG-tNKbQwiWaZ7A1FvTfCVdg@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Van: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Datum: dinsdag, 25 november 2025 15:27 Aan: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> CC: FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org> Onderwerp: Re: building libclang and WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN? > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2025, 6:52AM Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> My build setup contains WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN which saved me a lot of time on the Raspberry Pi's. >> Since a while they are building llvm/clang stuff nonetheless. >> I have the feeling this started when llvm/clang started to be build as private libraries. >> >> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/2e47f35be5dc61945afdbd1a70e8fd505c032c94 >> >> Could this change have influenced how WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN works? >> Would it be possible to skip building these libraries using other knobs? >> >> Or is my thought about this unfounded? > > > In yhr last week or three i fixed a bug in metamode that eould always rebuild the toolchain... when did you last try? > > Warner > >> >> Regards, >> Ronald. >> >> > Currently building 16-current on a 15 days old system. I don't think I use metamode. I just do buildworld. $ uname -a FreeBSD rpi5 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #2 main-n281790-abd53b16c03f: Mon Nov 10 23:34:05 CET 2025 root@rpi5:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG arm64 $ ps d -D down -p 7025 PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 7025 1 I+ 0:00.00 /usr/local/bin/bash /home/ronald/bin/makeworld.sh 7058 1 IN+ 0:00.00 - time make -j4 -DWITHOUT_CLEAN=yes -DWITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes buildworld 7059 1 SN+ 0:01.79 `-- make -j4 -DWITHOUT_CLEAN=yes -DWITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes buildworld 7095 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 7096 1 SN 0:01.86 `-- make -m /usr/src/share/mk -f Makefile.inc1 TARGET=arm64 TARGET_ARCH=aarch64 buildworld 21526 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 21527 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- time env MACHINE_ARCH=aarch64 MACHINE=arm64 CPUTYPE= CC=cc -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/u 21528 1 SN 0:01.62 `-- make -f Makefile.inc1 BWPHASE=libraries DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp -DNO_FSCHG MK_HTML=no 21554 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 42314 1 SN 0:00.53 `-- make -f Makefile.inc1 _generic_libs 42323 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 42327 1 SN 0:00.51 `-- make MK_TESTS=no DIRPRFX=lib/ all 48783 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -e 48784 1 SN 0:00.04 `-- make all DIRPRFX=lib/clang/ 48787 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -e 48788 1 SN 0:08.68 `-- make all DIRPRFX=lib/clang/libllvm/ 54507 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54508 1 RN 0:14.53 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54518 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54519 1 RN 0:06.47 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54524 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54525 1 RN 0:01.34 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54526 1 SN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 54527 1 RN 0:00.68 `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp Regards, Ronald. [-- Attachment #2 --] <html><head></head><body><br> <p><strong>Van:</strong> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com><br> <strong>Datum:</strong> dinsdag, 25 november 2025 15:27<br> <strong>Aan:</strong> Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws><br> <strong>CC:</strong> FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org><br> <strong>Onderwerp:</strong> Re: building libclang and WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN?</p> <blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #000000 2px solid; margin-right: 0px"> <div class="MessageRFC822Viewer" id="P"> <div class="MultipartAlternativeViewer"> <div class="TextHTMLViewer" id="P.P.P"> <div> <div> <div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <div class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 25, 2025, 6:52AM Ronald Klop <<a href="mailto:ronald-lists@klop.ws">ronald-lists@klop.ws</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div>Hi,<br> <br> My build setup contains WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN which saved me a lot of time on the Raspberry Pi's.<br> Since a while they are building llvm/clang stuff nonetheless.<br> I have the feeling this started when llvm/clang started to be build as private libraries.<br> <br> <a href="https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/2e47f35be5dc61945afdbd1a70e8fd505c032c94" target="_blank">https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/2e47f35be5dc61945afdbd1a70e8fd505c032c94</a><br>; <br> Could this change have influenced how WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN works?<br> Would it be possible to skip building these libraries using other knobs?<br> <br> Or is my thought about this unfounded?</div> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> </div> <div>In yhr last week or three i fixed a bug in metamode that eould always rebuild the toolchain... when did you last try?</div> <div> </div> <div>Warner</div> <div> </div> <div> <div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div>Regards,<br> Ronald.<br> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> <br> Currently building 16-current on a 15 days old system. I don't think I use metamode. I just do buildworld. <pre>$ uname -a FreeBSD rpi5 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #2 main-n281790-abd53b16c03f: Mon Nov 10 23:34:05 CET 2025 root@rpi5:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG arm64 $ ps d -D down -p 7025 PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 7025 1 I+ 0:00.00 /usr/local/bin/bash /home/ronald/bin/makeworld.sh 7058 1 IN+ 0:00.00 - time make -j4 -DWITHOUT_CLEAN=yes -DWITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes buildworld 7059 1 SN+ 0:01.79 `-- make -j4 -DWITHOUT_CLEAN=yes -DWITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes buildworld 7095 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 7096 1 SN 0:01.86 `-- make -m /usr/src/share/mk -f Makefile.inc1 TARGET=arm64 TARGET_ARCH=aarch64 buildworld 21526 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 21527 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- time env MACHINE_ARCH=aarch64 MACHINE=arm64 CPUTYPE= CC=cc -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/u 21528 1 SN 0:01.62 `-- make -f Makefile.inc1 BWPHASE=libraries DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp -DNO_FSCHG MK_HTML=no 21554 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 42314 1 SN 0:00.53 `-- make -f Makefile.inc1 _generic_libs 42323 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 42327 1 SN 0:00.51 `-- make MK_TESTS=no DIRPRFX=lib/ all 48783 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -e 48784 1 SN 0:00.04 `-- make all DIRPRFX=lib/clang/ 48787 1 IN 0:00.00 `-- sh -e 48788 1 SN 0:08.68 `-- make all DIRPRFX=lib/clang/libllvm/ 54507 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54508 1 RN 0:14.53 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54518 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54519 1 RN 0:06.47 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54524 1 SN 0:00.00 |-- sh -ev 54525 1 RN 0:01.34 | `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp 54526 1 SN 0:00.00 `-- sh -ev 54527 1 RN 0:00.68 `-- c++ -target aarch64-unknown-freebsd16.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/tmp</pre> <br> <br> Regards,<br> Ronald.<br> </body></html>home | help
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