Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:56:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@village.org> To: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss@subatomix.com> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On the future of freebsd-small Message-ID: <200007251756.LAA21159@harmony.village.org> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:47:12 CDT." <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007251047020.8871-100000@lepton.subatomix.com> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007251047020.8871-100000@lepton.subatomix.com>
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In message <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007251047020.8871-100000@lepton.subatomix.com> "Jeffrey S. Sharp" writes: : Well, it appears that many people would like some radical change to our : group in order fire up some genuine progress and keep small FreeBSD from : dying. There seems to be a lot of support for establishing some formal : organization. I suggest we elect, as Albert said, a 'Captain'. I think that it is premature to elect anybody capitain. I've not seen any good design statements from any of the partipants yet beyond the "motherhood and apple pie" statements. : This would be represent quite a jump from where we are now, but we can do : it if we try. There are three issues to address: (1) Are we sure everyone : wants this? (2) How should the vote be done? and (3) What will the : Captain's responsibilities/duties/powers be? Let's hold off on this until we can reach a consensus on where we're going. If we don't know where we're going, we can eaily elect someone ill suited to the right direction of the project. : (1) COMPLETENESS OF REPRESENTATION : Before we do this, we need to ensure that we're doing what a good majority : of the active participants on this list want. If anyone does not want to : elect a Captain, then please speak up. I suggest we wait 2 days for this. Let me vote no for now. : (2) VOTING : : After we've passed the first question, it's time to start a voting : procedure. I suggest this one: : : 07/27 17:00 GMT - Begin accepting nominations : 07/29 17:00 GMT - End accepting nominations; begin voting : 07/31 17:00 GMT - End voting; tally : : I also suggest that we use this list as a voting medium; it's quick, easy : to use, and anyone can count the votes. NO. Let's not use the list. It will be too public. Also, the period of time is too short. It should be at least a week, if not longer. Many people go away for the weekend of a week in this country and in Europe this is vacation time, where people literally are gone for a month. : (3) WHAT GOOD IS THE CAPTAIN? : : When we vote, we need to agree upon what we're getting by electing a : Captain. I suggest these basic ideas as to what a Captain is for: : : * a source for approval for significant commits by others This is usually called MAINTAINER :-) : * someone to take patches to for committing Ditto. : * delegation of duties, like finding someone to donate server space or : finding someone to maintain a web page. What's wrong with the FreeBSD web services? One of the ***'d up things of the linux world is that each project is on its own whacked out web server. The incremental cost of putting this information on the FreeBSD pages is so small that one shouldn't waste any time at all with the issue. We should use what we have. : * communication on the group's behalf with the mainline people Coming from the PAO merge experience, I would maintain that if you aren't mainline, you are setting yourself up for a ***load of pain down the road. You gotta have people who do lots of work on the mainline as well as the tiny efforts. That way they understand the issues involved with making things small as well as understanding the tools that are available that might make the tiny effort trivial or at least close to trivial. : * administration of voting over future issues, like if or how to : change or replace the existing PicoBSD. Core has this power. We can't elect someone to do that. It isn't how things are done in this project. Sorry to come off sounding like a sourpuss, but my first reaction to this was that we'd be setting ourselves up for failure on a grand scale. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message
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