Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:35:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>, Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>, Paul Richards <paul@originative.co.uk>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Merger, and what will its effects be on committers? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003131322080.94516-100000@sasami.jurai.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000313110822.03d71ee0@localhost>
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Brett Glass wrote: > In that case, Walnut Creek's "FreeBSD Power Pak," which IS FreeBSD > plus all sorts of goodies, should be required to be renamed for the > sake of fairness. In fact, even the Walnut Creek 4-CD FreeBSD set > should be required to be named differently, because it contains > hundreds of third party products. Sound fair? Is it shipping with an official FreeBSD Project RELEASE? If you wanted to do something similar like "FreeBSD for Dummies" I can't see how they'd (The FreeBSD Project) have a problem. Doesn't CheapBytes sell a product that uses 'FreeBSD' in the name? I guess that kind of shoots you down. You'd think you'd recognize an example for what it was and not take it as an invitation to find something from WC that doesn't exactly match the pattern. > >It looks like you're trying to take something that the FreeBSD project has > >worked hard for (good PR) and profit by it, while offering nothing in > >return > > Part of the BSD philosophy is that anyone should be able to take the > project's IP and use it for any purpose. Fine, the PR and Brand are totally different from 'IP'. I note that Microsoft took some BSD IP and used it for any purpose. More power to 'em. > Also, as I've mentioned, experience in the Linux world has shown that > a bad product bearing the name Linux has not hurt Linux one bit. The > market quickly eliminates bad products, solving the problem with no > outside intervention. And there's no danger of bias on the part of > some "sanctioning committee." Whine whine whine. So I nailed you down and you gave a half hearted counter and then switched the subject. This is a typical Brett Glass thread. > >nd quite possibly damaging user/market trust in the brand. > > In that case, isn't Walnut Creek doing exactly that by selling its > "FreeBSD Power Pak" and other products which Nope. If the FreeBSD Project didn't prevent the product from using the brand so I assume that it meet their standards of quality. (Or maybe there -is- some under the table funny business!! Oh no!) > I don't want to hurt FreeBSD. If I ship a product which doesn't have > the FreeBSD name on it, it will hurt FreeBSD and in fact all of the > BSDs by giving the Linux zealots the opportunity to claim that the > BSDs are fragmenting rather than consolidating. Yes, but until we see your vapor we can't judge if it will have a positive or negative impact on FreeBSD. Again, if you are value adding an official FreeBSD RELEASE I can't see how anyone would have a problem with it (unless of course it was something in poor taste like shipping with goat porn or using satanic rituals in concert with the install or something silly.) You've thundered on about this and still haven't told us exactly what you want to do. You're getting something for nothing here and it still isn't good enough for you. > There's also a fundamental issue of fairness which needs to be > resolved here. If Walnut Creek is allowed to ship products and > packages which bear the name FreeBSD and which include enhancements > and additions to the FreeBSD project's output (including whole CD-ROMs > of third party software!), I (or anyone else) should be able to do so > as well. So long as you are shipping an official FreeBSD RELEASE (and even then WC ships snapshots). I think the problem is that people are worried that you will misrepresent FreeBSD in some way. It seem easier to believe that given your track record on the various mailing lists, deserved or no. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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