Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:20:39 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" <andre@pipeline.ch> To: Oliver von Bueren <310@ovb.ch> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: US West and RADSL (fwd) Message-ID: <357AA1B7.E4CD1BA8@pipeline.ch> References: <Pine.LNX.3.91.980606122248.20041D-100000@hypermall.com> <3579976D.6974D1FA@comsys.com> <357b633b.220372328@mail.ovb.ch>
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Oliver von Bueren wrote: -snip- > Hey, I don't see it that way, beside I don't live in the USA. What you > say about the equipment in the COs to be installed by the individual > ISP doesn't make sense either. That's about the same as if you'd say > lets install the equipment to make ISDN connections from the COs to > the customers by some ISP to have their customer have ISDN access to > the pop. xDSL, which flavor will be a future standard is IMHO not very > clear by know, should become a standard like ISDN, which in turn is > very much one here in Europe. Yea, ISDN is very common. The european Telcos did some sort of standard called Euro-ISDN, whereas the US Telcos have all their own standards. > In terms of ISDN this means that you have a digital end-to-end dialup > connection, error corrected and constant in its data rate, with a very > fast connect process (oposite to V90, aka x2/k56flex, which is doesn't > has all these features, is slower, has no constant data rate and is > much more error prone). That is what the goal of xDSL should be too, > with the small difference, it's faster! And unmetered 'always connected'. > So the approach that the telcos should pay to upgrade their COs is not > wrong, the only other thing is that the customer who gets such a line > should have the freedom to connect to anyone he likes with this line, > like ISDN but faster. This means that the COs have to route the > traffic through a net, say an ATM, to the desired ISP. Yes, that the key point IMO. The ISP should have the same conditions and prices as the Telco Internet division, everthing else is unfair. > Conclusion: In the end the customer needs a xDSL enabled connection to > the COs and the ISP is probably connected through say an ATM link to > the telcos net. Exactly. > This doesn't make it a monopoly for the telcos but gives the customer > the freedom to connect to the ISP he wants and lets him switch when he > wants. Should be the same with the cable networks. > Another thing, which is at least here in Switzerland at the current > time an option to connect to an ISP, is to get a cooper 2wire leased > line to an ISP and use one of the xDSL technologies to connect. This They tried to prohibit that. First they doubled the setup charges for plain copper lines, then they told their sales people they should deny every request for copper lines with the argument 'we dont have unused copper lines anymore'... After a friend inside Swisscom told me that, I complained and still get copper lines. Dont know about the other ISP's. > is used as our telco(s) are still testing the new technology and > didn't deploy it up till now. But as a final solution, this isn't very At least Swisscom is using HDSL for two or three years now for (fractional) E1 and PRI lines from the CO to the customer. > satisfying, as you're bound to one ISP and can't change without > rerouting the leased line by the telco to another destination, which > always cost you money. The prices are very high over here: a 34Meg leased line from Zurich to Geneva (~220km/~140mi) costs $35,500/month, a 2Meg costs $6,000/mo. The other point are the phone tariffs: We have here 'local' and 'long distance'. Local is within a radius of ~10km (6.25mi) from your home, long distance is everthing else. The customer has to pay $2.66/hr for local calls and $10.66/hr for long distance (the only good thing is that they have the same tariff for POTS and ISDN). Now one should imagine that Switzerland is 300mi by 200mi, a little bit bigger than i.e. Los Angeles, but has fewer people (~6m). More disturbing is the fact that the average Internet user (20hrs/mo) pays more money to the Telco ($50/mo, plus the monthly fee for the phone line of $17) for Internet access than for the ISP ($20/mo). Back in my pre-ISP days I used to get phone bills of $500 to $700/mo (long distance) only for Internet access. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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