Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Holmes <dholmes@liberator.dyndns.org> To: jeff-ml@mountin.net (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/make.conf question Message-ID: <200203141908.LAA32162@star-one.liberator.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20020313231107.02fc86b0@207.227.119.2> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Mar 13, 2002 11:57:17 pm"
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Look what Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
>
> ..., it doesn't matter if the timing was bad. With experience and
> dedicated reading of the commit mail, that everyone tracking -stable should
> read, one might know when a "bad" time to pull source is. Then I'd be
> asking too much. <g> Pulling and waiting a day means there has been time
> to find it and most times the person that broke things will figure it out
> or realize a commit was overlooked (and hope no one noticed) and might not
> be a bad idea for those new to thing here.
>
> Just a suggestion for some that seem to have problems, those new, and
> something worth thinking about passing on. Seems to be a rash of them
> lately. <shrug>
Just one small issue with that...
star-one[33](~/Mail)->head -1 cvs
From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 17 21:15:03 2002
star-one[34](~/Mail)->grep -c '^From ' cvs
3818
star-one[35](~/Mail)->ls -l cvs
-rw------- 1 dholmes user 13861315 Mar 14 10:15 cvs
In 25 days, that's 150 messages (and over .5 meg) per day. While good
information to have, it's practically a full-time job to read all of
these; the number of messages rivals the questions list. It also
normally tells you what was done (in extremely general terms), not what
is still to come and what dependency relationships exist.
Not to mention the problems of then knowing which changes have hit one's
chosen mirror, and whether it happens to be in the middle of receiving
a major commit, with commits happening round the clock. It seems to
me that pretty much all one can do is pull an update and hope for the
best, and repeat until it works.
I'm new to tracking -stable and so would gladly welcome corrections
and suggestions, but this is the impression I've been getting from the
mail discussions.
[Dare I mention that updated ports are only officially supported on
-stable and -current, implying that one must track an update path in
order to use applications since previous versions of dist files can
disappear rather quickly?]
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