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Date:      Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:05:38 +0200
From:      Mattias Pantzare <pantzer@ludd.luth.se>
To:        Nick Sayer <nsayer@quack.kfu.com>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG, security-officer@FreeBSD.ORG, pantzer@ludd.luth.se
Subject:   Re: vmware changes result in nasty bridging mess 
Message-ID:  <200008071705.TAA05733@mother.ludd.luth.se>
In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Sayer <nsayer@quack.kfu.com>  of "Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:04:45 PDT." <398E517D.A524966F@quack.kfu.com> 

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> > > 1. You are probably the only person on the planet who has a machine with
> > > both
> > > bridging and vmware who (aparently) doesn't intend to bridge the guest
> > > onto
> > > the connected LAN. This means that you have an opportunity to customize
> > > the
> > > startup script rather than insist that everyone have it the way you like
> > > it.
> > 
> > Possibly true, but I'm interested in POLA for many situations, not just
> > the common case. :-)  See below, however.
> 
> But isn't that which astonishes least that which astonishes the least
> number
> of people?!

On our campus network it is not uncommon to find peaople that has a gateway 
machine so that they can have several computers. Both the campus network and 
the private network is on ethernet. Guess what will hapen when they start to 
use vmware... Remember that it is usualy a normal workstation that is used 
for this. It may even be the fastest computer.

If the network administrator sees packets from a diffrent IP-range on the
network then the offendig computers is very likly to be disconnected. That
will astonish the poor student...
 


> > No, I'm worried about the following case: a machine with two interfaces,
> > and vmware, who then tries out bridging for the purposes of using vmware.
> 
> Everyone with this configuration, please raise their hands.
> 
> Remember, to qualify the two interfaces must be run simultaneously.

Do not assume that all networks look like the ones you have used.


> > The result of that operation is not POLA, as the BRIDGE documentation
> > clearly specifies that to turn on bridging, you set the sysctl, and that
> > the option is passive until then.  As the port is currently written, it
> > enables BRIDGE at every boot, regardless of a guest running, and affects
> > more than just the guest environment, bridging all interfaces.
> 
> And for both of you out there with two Ethernet cards and VMware
> running,
> you might want to add a bridge_cfg ioctl between the refresh and the
> enabling sysctl.

The port shoud do that then.




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