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Date:      Fri, 11 Jul 2014 02:08:56 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell" <johnandsara2@cox.net>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net>
Subject:   Re: [CFR] Remove texinfo from base
Message-ID:  <20140711000856.GH93051@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
In-Reply-To: <53BF28D1.8010604@cox.net>
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 07:59:13PM -0400, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darn=
ell wrote:
> Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> wrot=
e:
> >=20
> >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 08:20:41AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> >>> On Jun 25, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Matthew D. Fuller <fullermd@over-yonder.=
net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:52:10PM +0200 I heard the voice of
> >>>> Baptiste Daroussin, and lo! it spake thus:
> >>>>> I have just committed the support for this in ports, anyway breakage
> >>>>> should be reported, right now it seems fine on my exp-run
> >>>> Oh, yes.  Sorry, I did phrase that poorly.  This shouldn't _break_
> >>>> anything, but I suspect it will uncover existing-but-hidden breakage.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which is good.  But does merit awareness that "hey, this will probab=
ly
> >>>> happen somewhere, so know this is a place to look when a build
> >>>> breaks".
> >>> I know it will break certain nanobsd configurations that build ports =
because
> >>> dependencies there (at least for the ones I=E2=80=99ve done) aren=E2=
=80=99t well handled. So
> >>> I agree that this patch is missing, at the very least, an UPDATING en=
try and
> >>> a __FreeBSD_version bump.
> >> If you build a port that needs texinfo the port framework will do what=
 it needs
> >=20
> > Except in environments that don=E2=80=99t do dependencies quite right, =
or where only a subset
> > of ports tree has been imported and texinfo isn=E2=80=99t part of that=
=E2=80=A6  But people with them
> > usually know, which is why UPDATING is needed. That=E2=80=99s all. Ther=
e=E2=80=99s nothing else for you
> > to do.
> >=20
> > Warner
>=20
> i a few times heard there was and IS a long standing stand-off between=20
> info(1) and man(1) because man was copyright at least in part and=20
> further reasons that were not discussed.
>=20
> remove the ability to look at existing info pages of say m4.info why?

We do not have m4.info pages and so for a while :) in base because we do not
have GNU m4 in base.
>=20
> replace it with what ?
>=20
> i'm impartial.  i like both, made a manpage maker, would like a good=20
> info editor haven't come across yet.  coolman in nonfree, tkinfo is=20
> free. debian won't allow manpages on it's user groups
>=20
> do you know anything about this standoff between the online page and=20
> online manual systems ?
>=20
> are you saying that whatever microbsd prefers should be the base of bsd ?
>=20
> is microbsd used by Apple or something ?

[...] skipping the above because I don't understand how it comes to the
conversation.

If you want to read info pages just install texinfo from ports or add WITH_=
INFO
in your src.conf.

regards,
Bapt

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