Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:58:03 -0700 From: R Joseph Wright <rjoseph@mammalia.org> To: Mike Hoskins <mike@adept.org> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Color ls Message-ID: <20000718225803.B11027@manatee.mammalia.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182228240.1236-100000@snafu.adept.org>; from mike@adept.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:40:19PM -0700 References: <20000719041804.A52522@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182228240.1236-100000@snafu.adept.org>
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:40:19PM -0700, Mike Hoskins wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, j mckitrick wrote:
>
> > It's time to sell out. Colorls isn't THAT big of a deal if it makes people
> > happy. Adding it will make more people happy than leaving it out will.
>
> [155]mike@storm{mike}$ echo $TERM
> xterm-color
> [156]mike@storm{mike}$ ls -G
> <color output snipped>
>
> 'Adding it will...' ? It's already been added. This discussion isn't
> about adding color ls support, it's about people understanding how to
> configure their terminal(s).
>
> Along those lines... 'color' isn't a default ls behavior. That's why
> you have to add an argument (-G) to make it appear. Reading ls(1) tells
> one how to do that. With that in mind... 'xterm-color' isn't a default
> xterm terminal type. I think the problem is, ls(1) doesn't mention
> anything about needing 'xterm-color' for -G to work.
>
> I know... This duscussion's been had before. I'm not saying it's ls(1)'s
> job to educate the polulace on termcap, but if ls(1) isn't specifically
> going to expalin that -G won't work without xterm-color (and, don't get me
> wrong, I think the user should have to specify xterm-color if they want
> it...), shouldn't it at least point to termcap(5)?
>
> Personally, I think it'd just be easier to include 'requires
> TERM=xterm-color' with ls(1)'s explanation of -G, but that's just MO.
>
> I have to admit... I don't generally use color ls. If it makes some
> faction (even a very small one) of users happy though, I'm happy we
> support it - and we do support it... We support is a lot better than
> gnuls, IMCO. Ever try redirecting gnuls through more or less? What a
> mess. Doing the same with ours works perfectly.
>
This is not so. You have to use it like 'gnuls --color=auto' and there will
be no such mess. Gnuls also shows colors in the standard xterm without any
of this termcap insanity or TERM=xterm-color nonsense. It's also much easier
on the eyes, at least for me.
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