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Date:      Thu, 10 Jun 2021 19:22:00 -0500
From:      William Carson via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
To:        Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Boot from USB on RPi4 8GB?
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> On May 30, 2021, at 6:54 PM, William Carson via freebsd-arm =
<freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> On May 30, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> On 2021-May-30, at 13:50, Mark Millard via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm =
at freebsd.org> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 2021-May-30, at 10:59, William Carson via freebsd-arm =
<freebsd-arm at freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>> . . .
>>>>> I use a USB3 SSD that has small enough power requirements
>>>>> to not require a powered hub. (I also use a 5.1V 3.5A
>>>>> power supply as part of that context.) I've never tried
>>>>> spinning rust or higher powered USB3 media.
>>>=20
>>> I view the power supply that I use as just giving a little
>>> more margin,  not as a way to increase what the devices
>>> total to.
>>>=20
>>>> . . . I'm not sure what's considered "high powered" but the Samsung =
tech specs say this particular model uses 5.7 W on average and 10.0 W =
maximum. But it does seem curious that the Raspberry PI OS will boot =
this disk without issue, so I don't think it's the drive. I also tried a =
Samsung 950 PRO using a different enclosure (QNINE NVME Enclosure, M.2 =
PCIe SSD (M Key) to USB 3.0 External Case), but it behaved the same.
>>> . . .
>>>=20
>>> Then you need to use a powered hub for that device.
>>=20
>> I should have just referred to independent power. You
>> had written:
>>=20
>> QUOTE
>> I'm trying to use a SAMSUNG (MZ-V7E500BW) 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 =
NVMe, attached via the Geekworm X872 M.2 NVMe 2280/2260/2242/2230 SSD =
Expansion Board.
>> END QUOTE
>>=20
>> =
https://geekworm.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-x872-m-2-nvme-2280-2260-2242-=
2230-ssd-expansion-board
>>=20
>> shows that it has its own power connector and has an image
>> that says "please power x872 via DC Jack of XH2.54 connector
>> if SSD is not recognized or low power". Later text on the
>> page says:
>>=20
>> QUOTE
>> Specifications:
>> Power Supply
>> 	=E2=80=A2 5Vdc +/-5% , Powered by Raspberry Pi USB port
>> 	=E2=80=A2 5Vdc via DC power jack or XH2.5 connector, Extra power =
for the SSD
>> END QUOTE
>>=20
>> So, if I gather right, you need to connect a power
>> supply to the X872 and another to the RPi4B.
>>=20
>> Another image says "Note: NOT recommended to use SAMSUNG SSD,
>> if use SAMSUNG SSD, please close WiFi". Later text on the page
>> says the same.
>=20
> A-ha, indeed. I just noticed that as well. I've gone ahead and ordered =
a supplementary power supply and a lower-power NVMe to do more testing. =
I'll send an update once I've received and tested them.
>=20
> Thank you for hopefully pointing me in the right direction.

Alright, so, I ended up buying a WDS500G2B0C, which seems to only use a =
maximum of 75 mW (this seems ... low, to say the least, but the column =
is unlabeled in the spec sheet I found here =
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/=
public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-blue-nvme-ssd/product-br=
ief-wd-blue-sn550-nvme-ssd.pdf). Sadly, it also would not boot from =
either of my NVMe-USB adapters.

After a while of getting frustrating forgetting which combination of =
image + usb adapter + drive configuration I had or hadn't tried, I =
thought to myself.. what would happen if I tried one of the USB2 ports? =
Bingo! It booted FreeBSD no problem.

So I'm not sure what exactly that means, except that I know the =
power/usb adapter/drive/image is not the issue. I don't think I really =
"need" the performance improvement of the USB3 port at the moment, but =
maybe that's something that will help troubleshoot the issue? It would =
certainly be nice to use little USB bridge pcb "cable" to have a neater =
installation though.

Any ideas?


>> =
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/READM=
E.md
>>> lists:
>>>=20
>>> "Maximum total USB peripheral current draw" as: 1.2A ,
>>> which at 5.1V is 6W.
>>>=20
>>> That figure is the total for all USB devices attached
>>> that are not powered independently.
>>>=20
>>> That document also says that a 5.1V supply is required,
>>> not 5V.
>>>=20
>>> The power supply that the RPi folks supply is 5.1V @ 3A
>>> or 15.3W. Even the 5.1V 3.5A power supply that I use
>>> only multiplies out to 17.85W.
>>=20
>> =3D=3D=3D
>> Mark Millard
>> marklmi at yahoo.com
>> ( dsl-only.net went
>> away in early 2018-Mar)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> =3D=3D=3D
>> Mark Millard
>> marklmi at yahoo.com
>> ( dsl-only.net went
>> away in early 2018-Mar)


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