Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:37:09 -0800 From: Jos Backus <jos@catnook.com> To: Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing djb's public domain daemontools? Message-ID: <CAETOPp1%2B9anRMChjAdzXMrO68Edqmy-8x80q=BqJ8v0S3ew3Rg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGE5yCp11A8f0RQMxPjJ0p774EjfbRi6P%2BbQZ=WVpbncEmwyjQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAETOPp2Wcww1_fPonru0c6XoX%2BAV_HWoGZKiEMvmY50a5%2ByxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F14E291.5090803@FreeBSD.org> <CAETOPp1z0TJecz8kjDvf7trEOS5eogrcqEtDveUYzN=J-SvDNQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F1502CD.90409@FreeBSD.org> <E4B18E7A-74A1-4388-AD79-05DD3E667DAE@bsdimp.com> <4F152475.50503@FreeBSD.org> <33752E6C-E016-4C7E-92DD-97B531D185E7@bsdimp.com> <4F15BB21.50905@freebsd.org> <CAGE5yCp11A8f0RQMxPjJ0p774EjfbRi6P%2BbQZ=WVpbncEmwyjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Peter, Thanks for chiming in. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> > wrote: > > On 1/17/12 9:29 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > >> I have spent time with djb-ites in other areas. I tend to ignore > >> their ranker and focus on the technical issues. I've had issues with > >> pidfiles and such in the past. There are a lot of hacks to get around > >> those issues, and things mostly work. If there's a good alternative > >> that can be demonstrated to work and gain us additional > >> functionality, I'm all for it. I've fought with init() to make it > >> keep important daemons around should they die. I've worked with other > >> systems that make it easy to do and miss that on FreeBSD. It is > >> possible, but not easy. If daemontools makes it easy, we should > >> evaluate it. > > > > > > > > don't forget other alternatives.. > > > > for example we have launchd from apple which is quite a well > > tested entry in the "init" space of solutions. > > At the risk of prolonging the discussion.. > > We use daemontools at work and I find it horrid to work with. Really > horrid. > > However, I do miss a real, pluggable services manager/starter/etc. > launchd springs to mind, if only it wasn't .plist based. > > Linux seems to be standardizing on systemd (think of launchd except > made to smell like linux software) as a replacement for everything > including init (just like apple replaced init with launchd). > > There has got to be something better and less obnoxious than > daemontools. We don't need another file system abuser like that one. > I guess this is a matter of taste. I have automated deployments using daemontools and found it to integrate quite well with tools like Puppet. Apache and rsync can now run under it because I argued for it with patches. But I agree with you otherwise. It doesn't have to be daemontools as long as there's something which covers most of its functionality, including the run/finish script stuff, and not having to deal with pidfiles. Jos > -- > Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; > KI6FJV > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 > "If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete > themselves upon execution." -- Robert Sewell > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Jos Backus jos at catnook.com
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