Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:29:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ivo Janssen <ivo@ricardis.tudelft.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cyberian RC5 Effort vs. Bovine Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970830132715.31947C-100000@ricardis.ricardis.tudelft.nl> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970830130156.31947B-100000@ricardis.ricardis.tudelft.nl>
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> From: Murray Stokely <murray@cdrom.com> > To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Cyberian RC5 Effort - 'Anti - Microsoft!' > > - Cyberian has much faster clients Well, that's bullshit. > - Cyberian has WORKING stats.. updated every 5 minutes. (bovine just > now got the stats working, but they are very limited and updated only > daily) They do have a point! We are still waiting for host stats. > - The Bovine team is COMPLETELY unresponsive to offers of help. > People on the Bovine mailing list are constantly asking for new > features, and someone always offers to do it. But the Bovine team > wants to keep all the credit to themselves when the key is found, so > they don't let anyone help out, and they CONSTANTLY come up with > excuses and delays. Hmm, it seems that rc5help@slacker.com and #rc5 on EFnet are more of a help. But I would like to see the "Powers that Be" some more on this list. > - There is no statistical advantage to using Bovine over Cyberian at > this time. Bovine checked the first 6% sequentially. So Cyberian > didn't have to check that space, therefore they've technically > eliminated 8% of the keyspace. This means that roughly one key in 10 > that Cyberian checks has already been checked by Bovine. Since the > Cyberian client is more than 10% faster on most systems, you're only > wasting your time with Bovine. Of course there's no statistically advantage. Every next key can be the one. Every key has a 2^-56 change. > - Cyberian has its act together in all aspects of the effort. Most of > the early Bovine enthusiasts have long since switched over. Cyberian > is more fun, more focused on the real goal of disproving the strength > of 56bit encryption, and more in tune to the needs of a REAL dynamic > distributed computing effort. Cyberian is more focused on the real effort? Why is Bovine offering less money then? > - Bovine uses Windows NT servers, Cyberian uses Unix ;) 1-0 for Cyberian! All together they still have 2 good points to switch over: - better stats and - more response from the dev team If Bovine could fix these two, and they're working really hard on the first one, then we're the better effort once again! And then there's _no_ excuse to switch to Cyberian whatsoever! Ivo Janssen
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