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Date:      Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:53:19 +0200
From:      Michael Nottebrock <lofi@freebsd.org>
To:        Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>
Cc:        Henrik Brix Andersen <henrik@brixandersen.dk>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Pav Lucistnik <pav@freebsd.org>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, cvs-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/Mk bsd.port.mk
Message-ID:  <46B8B18F.9060402@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <20070807145123.yb3dqjojk08s40wg@webmail.leidinger.net>
References:  <200706281553.l5SFr56i099807@repoman.freebsd.org>	<20070802181715.46yikycm8gc8g8kk@webmail.leidinger.net>	<20070803125410.GB1062@tirith.brixandersen.dk>	<200708032144.57558.lofi@freebsd.org>	<20070803204215.GA68620@rot26.obsecurity.org>	<20070806074318.q9mw6ulngg00gwsw@webmail.leidinger.net>	<20070806065634.GA31676@rot26.obsecurity.org>	<20070806113855.0fcq213io0www04k@webmail.leidinger.net>	<46B7072E.8070307@freebsd.org>	<20070807111509.ojm8nc4ao0g080ck@webmail.leidinger.net>	<46B84C78.3030009@freebsd.org> <20070807145123.yb3dqjojk08s40wg@webmail.leidinger.net>

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I think we might possibly be talking past each other - let me rephrase
my concerns about the EXPLICIT_PACKAGE_DEPENDS switch and its functionali=
ty:

- I am concerned about users trying to use that switch *now* to cut down
time on portupgrade -r and portupgrade -R operations and getting
inconsistently updated installations as a result. That was the main
motivation for my initial reply to your message - since there is no
documentation other than your messages for that switch and since it does
not print out any warnings either, I thought I had to issue that
warning. Other than that, I realise this is experimental and off by
default and as such I don't have a problem with it. Providing the
missing documentation and make the switch print appropriate warnings
might still be worthwhile though.

- I am also concerned about this switch or its functionality becoming
the default before all ports are sufficiently modified (all dependencies
listed) so the scenario I describe above will not occur. Portmgr's call
though.

- Finally, I am concerned about the amount of work required to keep the
dependencies up to date. This last concern is admittedly KDE-centric
(and thus selfish :). The more automated tests or automated dependency
registration mechanisms there are in place, the less concern there will
be from my side. Those two quickshots already look pretty good - how
about trying to integrate them into the pointyhat buildscript?

Cheers,
--=20
   ,_,   | Michael Nottebrock               | lofi@freebsd.org
 (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve     | http://www.freebsd.org
   \u/   | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org



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