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Date:      Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:49:58 -0600 (MDT)
From:      Paul Hart <hart@iserver.com>
To:        Wojtek <sopel@nemezis.ipan.lublin.pl>
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Does mail.local need to be setuid-root?
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990430112635.28678C-100000@anchovy.orem.iserver.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904301826460.62761-100000@nemezis.ipan.lublin.pl>

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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Wojtek wrote:

> i think that mail.local is a real mess (there were various exploits for
> it).  why not switch to a more decent mail distribution program
> (procmail ?) as a default for freebsd.

I for one would be very nervous if procmail were SUID/SGID on my system.
Have you ever looked at the sources to procmail?  They are among the most
convoluted and aesthetically disturbing pieces of code I have ever seen.
And procmail is certainly not without its own problems, see for example:

    http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1999_2/0031.html
    http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1999_2/0043.html
    http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1999_2/0040.html

> the other thing in question is - should sendmail be the default mail
> agent on freebsd ?  there are many substitues for it which have proven
> to be more secure (postfix - by Wietse Venema, or zmailer, qmail, and so
> on..). 

... all with a completely unproven track record, except for qmail perhaps. 

Haven't we already gone to battle over this?  I don't remember who won in
the sendmail versus the rest of the world battle, but this probably
doesn't belong on -security. 

Paul Hart

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