Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:52:02 +1100 From: Kubilay Kocak <koobs.freebsd@gmail.com> To: marino@freebsd.org Cc: mexas@bris.ac.uk, code@apotheon.net, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Kubilay Kocak <koobs.freebsd@gmail.com> Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing Message-ID: <52B45992.1030105@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <52B4531C.2000809@marino.st> References: <201312201132.rBKBWEQT089240@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <52B44361.500@FreeBSD.org> <52B44926.6000005@marino.st> <52B44FA1.6050001@FreeBSD.org> <52B4531C.2000809@marino.st>
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On 21/12/2013 1:24 AM, John Marino wrote: > On 12/20/2013 15:09, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >> I appreciate the distinction, and I agree with your premises. Setting a >> high standard is not in question. > > Thanks. > >> If your aim however, is to change or influence others, and you'll grant >> that not everyone can know all there is to know about the values and >> behaviours we espouse in advance, then a reply guiding (read: leading) >> those individuals in the right direction would likely prove more >> effective than what was perhaps just a symptom of frustration. > > At the beginning of the thread, I used the gcc developer list as an > actual example. If anyone posst an inappropriate topic to the list, it > may get answered, but it will always get a "this is not appropriate for > this list, please don't do it again, use the XXXX list for this next > time." I can imagine it's a slight put-off for brand new users but it > is effective. People make a mistake once, and after that they do the > right thing. Since they are publicly corrected, you can imagine they > educate dozens of people *before* they can make the same mistake. Delivery matters, more than people think, or recognize. corrected -> developed, enlightened, tutored, polished policing -> maintaining high quality It *is* possible to set assertive, clear expectations and have a positive interaction that sets the tone for the rest of a users experience. > So I'm talking about policing the list consistently. >> If you don't feel up to taking on that role, then maybe unsubscribing is >> the way to go, though I hope its not as you have a lot of value to add. > > I had to try, but I suspected this thread would go the way of NetBSD > (Much discussion, zero net effect) and so far it has. I expect this > topic to die down soon and I'll unsubscribe around new years eve, since > two weeks seems to be the ports grace period. :) > John Seek and you shall find. Confirmation bias perhaps. :)
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