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Date:      Sat, 16 Apr 2016 10:48:08 +0200
From:      "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org>, "Conrad E. Meyer" <cem@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Heads up
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Am Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:30:05 -0600
Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> schrieb:

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org> wro=
te:
>=20
> > Conrad, yes, you can, but sticking it into FreeBSD source tree IMHO
> > restricts your options somewhat. If it's your private code you can easi=
ly
> > put F-world into it and nobody obviously cares apart from your co-worke=
rs
> > and your boss. Would probably be considered highly inappropriate by mos=
t to
> > merge it into a public one, so "whatever your like" rule has its limits.
> > =20
>=20
> The name isn't obscene or offensive.
>=20
>=20
> > Also, apart from being not very suggestive as to what this option actua=
lly
> > does, let's not forget that "Netflix" is probably registered as a trade=
mark
> > and whatnot in North America at least, if not worldwide. I am not a law=
yer,
> > but I suspect using it might have some ramifications for our ability to
> > name things using this name.
> > =20
>=20
> Probably not. This is a weak argument. It's a descriptive use of the word,
> and not being used to market or sell video streaming services or DVD rent=
al
> by mail.
>=20
>=20
> > If "SSDNG" is not a good name, I'd suggest coming up with some other na=
me
> > that is neutral and also has some hints as to its functionality. For
> > example, CAM_IOCHED_LOW_LAT or something.
> > =20
>=20
> Also a horrible name. It's a generic I/O scheduler. It can do lots of
> things. I keep saying that, and categorically refuse to name the more
> expansive scheduler anything that's so limiting.
>=20
> Warner

Why the not simply CAM_IOSCHED_EXT for an extension of the already present =
i/o
scheduling? Or without the _EXT?

>=20
>=20
> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > =20
> >> Max,
> >>
> >> If you implement a new IO scheduler you can name it whatever you like.
> >> "NG" isn't any more meaningful than "Netflix."
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Conrad
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org>
> >> wrote: =20
> >> > Great, work Warner, thanks! Small note, though. The CAM_IOSCHED_NETF=
LIX
> >> > seems like a quite poor name for a kernel option. IMHO there is no g=
ood
> >> > reason for polluting it with the name of the company that sponsored =
the
> >> > development. I don't think we have any precedents of doing this unle=
ss =20
> >> the =20
> >> > option is related to a piece of hardware that the company makes, and=
 =20
> >> it's =20
> >> > not the case here. Apart from "coolness" factor as far as I understa=
nd =20
> >> that =20
> >> > _NETFLIX suffix does not give any tangible benefit for anybody readi=
ng
> >> > kernel config and trying to understand what this option actually doe=
s.
> >> > CAM_IOSCHED_SSDNG or something would be better IMHO. Just my $0.02.
> >> >
> >> > -Max
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> >> > =20
> >> >> The CAM I/O scheduler has been committed to current. This work is =
=20
> >> described =20
> >> >> in https://people.freebsd.org/~imp/bsdcan2015/iosched-v3.pdf though=
 =20
> >> the =20
> >> >> default scheduler doesn't change the default (old) behavior.
> >> >>
> >> >> One possible issue, however, is that it also enables NCQ Trims on a=
da =20
> >> SSDs. =20
> >> >> There are a few rogue drives that claim support for this feature, b=
ut
> >> >> actually implement data corrupt instead of queued trims. The list o=
f =20
> >> known =20
> >> >> rogues is believed to be complete, but some caution is in order.
> >> >>
> >> >> Warner
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