Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:51:01 -0800 From: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> To: Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com>, freebsd-test@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmane.os.freebsd.test and gmane.test sends: both fail from an independent context Message-ID: <837eb05a-ac71-45fd-a43b-ab262ac2d92c@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20260114010228.b2a30b1f6c1182090420479e@gmail.com> References: <d911f46a-f4f0-4be8-a151-5e34f7443087@yahoo.com> <20260114010228.b2a30b1f6c1182090420479e@gmail.com>
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On 1/13/26 14:02, Anton Shepelev wrote: > Mark Millard: > >> I've tried NewsTap on an iPad. It has no SMTP configuration >> ability but is supposed to allow posting. (My normal use is >> intended to be: reading.) > > Yes, it is an NNTP client, meaning it uses NNTP both to read and > to post messages. Yep. That is what I was referencing. But the message with these notes was sent from Thunderbird because I've not gotten any messages through via NewsTap on the iPad. It was also sent to both the news group and the Email address for the Mail List. It is also the first message I've sent that double posted: once form gmane and once from SMTP, proving that such can happen when I list both. However, later attempts to send just to the news group again failed from Thunderbird. No attempt from NewsTap has gone through yet as far as I can see. > >> I'm unable to post from it as well, appearing to send but the post >> message never showing up. (Message reading is operational.) >> >> NewsTap has a scroll-able log. After POST comes text like (hand typed here): >> >> 340 Ok, recommended message-ID <10k5ocq$3gh$1@ciao.gmane.io> >> 240 Article received (mailed to moderator) > > Seems to work, I am reading it. No messages from NewsTap went through from what I can see. This message that you relied to was not from from NewsTap but from Thunderbird. NewsTap is effectively read-only so far. > This behavior is a feature of > moderated newsgroups, which in the real Usenet are a minority, > and posts to unmoderated groups arrive immediately. This > message has been posted via NNTP. It contains: > > X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ > > Congratulations! Unfortuantely, it rarely works and so is not usable that way so far, even in NewsTap. > > For a quick test with real Usenet, you can try this anonymous > NNTP server: > > paganini.bofh.team > > with the standard port 119. I'll probably experiment with that later. > >> Maybe: Failure to pass the automatic moderation filtering that >> requires matching a subscription? > > No, I have exactly the same log message for my successful posts > via Gmane. Good to know, thanks. > >> For the groups I've added into NewsTap, after the description >> text for a group in this UI there always seems to be the text: >> >> (Moderated) (read, moderated) > > I think Gmane represent most if not all mailing lists as > moderated newsgroups. > >> Some groups prefix that with: >> >> (non-public) > > I don't know what that means. Would need an example. There are also ones with a "()". Below I omit the actual description text (which varies in length, unlike below). NewsTap lists the subscribed groups with a description line under the group-name line. It adds the text in question to the end of that description line. gmane.os.freebsd.devel.pkgbase . . . (description) . . . () (Moderated) (read, moderate... gmane.os.freebsd.current.scm . . . (description) . . . () (Mo... gmane.os.freebsd.architecture . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Moderated) (read... gmane.os.freebsd.current . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Mo... gmane.os.freebsd.stable . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Mod... gmane.os.freebsd.devel.arm . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Moder... gmane.os.freebsd.devel.hackers . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Moderated) (read, moderate... gmane.os.freebsd.devel.file-systems . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Moderated) (read, moderated) gmane.os.freebsd.devel.standards . . . (description) . . . (non-p... gmane.os.freebsd.announce . . . (description) . . . (read-only) (Moderated) (re... gmane.os.freebsd.ports.scm . . . (description) . . . (Moderat... gmane.os.freebsd.devel.ports . . . (description) . . . (non-public) (Moderated) (read, m... gmane.discuss . . . (description) . . . (Moderated) (read, moderated) gmane.test . . . (description) . . . (Moderated) (read, moderated) > >> others with: >> >> (read-only) > > Lots of Gmane groups are feeds (RSS and others). They are in > gwene.* . And feeds are, of course, read-only. It basically means: can not be posted to without special access, like for freebsd-announce@freebsd.org (but that is actually a Mail list). > >> Some have neither prefix. > > Again, I can't comment without an example. > > > -- === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.comhome | help
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